Longgone

I believe Hinch is one of the top managers in the game and the Tigers are lucky to have him, but fans of every franchise routinely despise and second guess their managers, especially when that team is losing, so here we are.

That’s not exactly true. The facilities, training, nutrition, have improved, but the quality of play? No

He can hit. He has the ability. Does he need to make some adjustments, sure. Will he? Who knows.

No that’s still awful

These are athletes, they’ve been competing their whole lives. They thrive on it or they fade away. And this is how you build a system, you accumulate a pipeline of talent where you have to compete hard for jobs, and if you’re good at it, enough will make it to field a competitive core. Most won’t make it, but you keep the pipeline coming.

I understand this is your opinion, it just has no basis in reality. It would have no effect on Tork, would not change anyone’s opinion of his value or availability, and it surely shouldn’t have any impact on draft strategy. No one cares about crap like that. Kuntz is likely a couple of years away, and if they both reach their ceilings that would be a fortuitous scenario and they’d make it work.

Name one 1b only prospect in the system.

Hypothetically, if both Tork and Kuntz end up 900 ops guys that would be awesome, they’ll find a place for them. In any case Kuntz is probably 2-3 years from helping, so a lot can happen. But I do agree with Chas on one thing, the odds of the Tigers drafting Kuntz are low, but it won’t be because of Tork.

Tork will figure it out, or he won’t, it has nothing to do with the evaluation and drafting of the best available talent. No need to psychoanalyze situations like this. Drafting a first-basemen, or any position, in no way signals anyones days are numbered because things rapidly change and work themselves out, as we have seen time and again.

Likely every other team in baseball would have taken Tork 1-1 also, and if he was hitting and fielding like he appeared capable, you’d be fine with it.

You take all that into consideration when grading players

You never draft based major league needs. You take the best available talent, period, it always works itself out.

Well that’s what “future considerations“ generally is, nothing at all.

Sure, based on talent and nothing to do with Torkelson.

It’s contextual, some hitters, like Nick Maton for example, have a flaw in their approach that will be exploited by big league pitchers, but will still allow them to put up superior numbers in the minors. Those hitters need to stay down until they correct their approach to cover that flaw. Other hitters have a more well rounded approach, but just need experience.

You don’t push players up to see if they can compete, or “let them sink or swim”. You know at each stage what their flaws and strengths and weaknesses are, you don’t use stats to justify a move, leave them at an appropriate level until they acquire enough skills to compete. At some point they will be ready and will require the challenge, but there is no point in rushing it.

Hopefully?

If it’s true they covet hitters that control the strike zone, then they won’t draft Seaver King, he’s a notorious free swinger.

There seems to be a clear top tier of ten, Tigers draft at 11. Seldom does the draft proceed as projected, so hopefully one of the top hitters drops to them, if not then Caminiti would be an okay consolation.

This would be the worst case scenario

So does the defense, the park, randomness, once the ball is hit the pitcher has no control, he does have control over the rate contact is made.

If you want to evaluate a pitcher, you want to identify elements he can control. Walks, strikeouts, contact rate, etc. are things under a pitchers control, hits, runs, etc. are dependent on other factors.

Players aren’t generally very involved in the negotiations, agents have their parameters and cut the best deal possible. I believe this is all on the agent.

There is only one possibility with this deal that makes sense, and that’s Erod’s agent agreed to terms for the deal and then reneged at the last minute. Nothing else seems at all likely.

I think he’d be fine at third if he played and practiced there everyday. It’s tough to move around.