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Yeah they got a nice ROI on Austin Meadows to flip Paredes. How Tampa does this is impressive, but they always feel like they are the baseball version of day trading stocks and never really build a long-term team.

Interesting question. Short term - Trade deadline. Marathon analogy: All draft prospects start at the starting line while the traded guys the Tigers received 5 starting at Whitecaps or Erie (10 mile head start) and 2 at Toledo (15 mile head start) Long term - Draft. Harris seems to like drafting high upside guys out of high school and so far it seems to be working so by the time 2030 rolls around, I would say the draft has a few at MLB and most of the traded for guys won't pan out or will be off the roster by then.

Nope. I read Mayo and Basallo were DOA proposals. Baltimore is still prospect hugging. They haven't felt the need to put all of their chips in yet. If they win the WS this year, they may have been right. If they get bounced, maybe they develop some intestinal fortitude this winter and call Harris to get Skubal and make that offer.

This is the problem though. Harris took over and Harold Castro was on the team. To get ML players back you either have to trade ML talent so are you going to trade Greene? Keith? Skubal? What is the ML market value of Canha? I'd rather have a prospect with some upside than get another Dawell Lugo or Harold Castro on the roster. The other way to get ML talent is to sell off prospects of value Jobe? Jung? What is Tork's value right now? You'd have to package them to get a another team top 10. Harris is doing the right thing filling up the DSL, FCL, Flygers and now Whitecaps. I believe eventually he will get there, but he was left with absolutely no depth in our entire minor league system to make any of the kind of deals you want to see.

"Like" out of likes for today. Yes and this was our discussion before where when it comes to the draft Harris has his scouts looking for a certain profile (low k, high bb, contact %, athletic, multiple positions, Pitchers upside, throws strikes, high velocity etc) However when it comes to established players he has his pro scouting look for flaws in other team players that he believes his coaches can fix. Lee has improved this year from last years deadline, Lorenzen/Canha/Flaherty, we saw something in Ibanez, McKinstry, Malloy, Leonard and Vierling that a part of their game wasn't being developed. I think all of the guys he traded for he believes he can fix and make more valuable either for the Tigers or to flip at the next deadline. Now that being said, he doesn't have a 100% hit rate as it doesn't explain Javy Tork or Maeda but sometimes it is up to the player to accept being coachable.

What are the rules regarding the moves they can still make? Does anyone have clarity on the rules after the deadline? Some guys on MLB teams should be DFA/reassigned today and exposing them to waiver claims (Eddys Leonard last season) 2006 Sean Casey, and I think they can still trade minor league guys not on the 40 man? Am I wrong about that? Am I missing another way they can still acquire talent this season?

Someone posted that it seems Harris has targets he wants to go after and then zeroes in on them, unlike AA who enjoyed more lottery tickets. I'm still willing to trust Harris with Malloy, Lee, flipping Flaherty/Canha/Lorenzen/Kelly, Ibanez, Vierling. He has improved the minor league system, scouting and coaching, I'm willing to give him more time to see what he can develop in a year or two. He infused more young talent at this deadline and his first draft is already filtering into A+ with teenagers.

I'm currently experiencing 2023 PTSD

That's the vibe I'm getting too. Twitterverse has Dodgers, Padres, Houston, Cleveland, Yankees, Mets and I even saw a Boston post. Scott Harris and Greenberg are truly trying to get the best deal possible. It will be interesting to see what unfolds.

Nope apparently Javy is on medical/bereavement

Kreidler at Comerica? Javy/Flaherty to Dodgers for 3 lottery tickets? Then Tigers can accept Holiday Mayo and lottery ticket for skubs? There are a lot of moving parts to this Tiger team right now.

I agree with this. It's strange he was seen giving out hugs in the dugout on Saturday and is still a Tiger. Trying to read the tea leaves, I wonder if a deal was in the works and then another team called and upped their offer and there really is some type of bidding war/negotiations going on. This is the ideal scenario if it is playing out that way.

Yeah there is no way I let him take the mound tomorrow.

My guess is there wasn't a line of teams banging down the door for a backup catcher for their playoff push. Tigers got him for nothing and then got something for him. Can't play teams against each other when there is only one that wants to Tango.

Yeah because a hard throwing 23 year old at AA will never make the Tigers bullpen. It also cleared a path for Dingler and replaced a position of need in the organization (catcher). Creating a good farm system is more like smoking ribs for 3 days, not a 15 minute frozen pizza.

Nope but they had nothing invested in Kelly. Catcher is an org weakness, clears a path for Dingler and Owen is 23 and could make the Tigers BP in a year.

Yeah I get this part of it too, and nobody really cares if the minor league teams win or not as it is all about development. I coach IT in my profession and advise college men as a volunteer and I always try to setup men for success not failure. Switching these positions all the time is maddening to me. Maybe it's a me problem. haha

I have no idea. I just find this any guy, can play any position at any time philosophy maddening. They open themselves up to more errors and guys that don't have all of the nuisances of playing each position.

Why on God's green planet Earth is the SS Navagito playing CF for Toledo? Can we stop moving everyone around to play every GD position? Let the dude play short. 2 run error because he has no idea what he is doing. Let's have Tork catch, Dingler play SS, Jung play 1B....what are we doing? I get having lineup and defense flexibility but not everyone was born to play every single baseball position.

I just saw an interesting idea on X (Twitter). Skubal and Javy for 2 high end Dodger prospects and a lottery ticket or two. Tigers are able to salary dump in this idea while getting back a little less in prospects than they would get from Baltimore.

It isn't often that the Tigers have this kind of decision ahead of them. The MLB roster as currently constructed isn't that far away from a playoff spot, but are quite a ways from a WS title. I often play the what-if game in my head. It was rumored Yordon Alvarez was in the original JV deal but Avilia came back and asked them to take on more salary so they ended up taking less in prospects. It was rumored that the Cubs offered a package with Gleyber Torres as part of a potential trade for Fulmer back in 2016 and I want to say there was a deal in place with Seattle to send the 2021 version of Boyd there, but I can't recall who the Tigers would have gotten back. Imagine the current Tigers having Alvarez and Torres in the lineup and maybe a Seattle starter or even Kelenic if Al would have any negotiation skills at all. The Tigers are not paying Skubal $40mil+ for 8+ years in 2 years and he is at his highest value now. Boyd and Fulmer went on to get injured and by the time they were dealt they were worth a fraction of what they once were, in fact I think they ended up getting nothing for Boyd. If Baltimore calls and offers any combination of Holiday Basallio Mayo Norby and add in a couple lottery tickets, they have to listen. The Tigers have played it too conservative in the past and I'd love to see them roll the dice a little in a blockbuster deal.

This is an interesting pick. I wonder if he was on their radar, fell in the draft, and they gave him a call to see if he'd be willing to negotiate turning pro.

It is so weird having competent management.

I've been reading about possible destinations for Flaherty. Named have been NYY, Bos, Balt, LAD, Milw, Cubs, I'm sure other teams would be interested as well. What are your thoughts on the return the Tigers could get back? I know they are desperate for a SS but Boston has a 2B Nick Yorke. He is 22 so he fits the timeline, is at AAA and hitting .322 avg .941 ops with 6 HR in 118 abs. This is the kind of targeted move I'd like to see Harris make. ...and yes I know this would potentially block Lee/move Keith to 1st etc but I'd like to focus on the type of return the Tigers could get for Flaherty.

Does anyone know where I can find the Dodgers radio/tv announcers melting down today? I always enjoy that perspective. I do the same with OSU announcers vs M last 3 games. Also any Dodger fan crowd reaction pics as Gio's HR left the yard would be delicious as well.