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The key word= prospect. They haven't done anything yet.

It was a sad time to be a Tigers fan. They made the playoffs in '87 and then starting in '89, fifteen years of utter pathetic baseball. We had TBS, so I ended up following the Braves more than the Tigers during that time.

Back to the 80s stuff, had Mike Schmidt played during the roid and juiced ball era, he would have destroyed the home run record.

But the HOF is a joke anyway. David Ortiz, failed PED test, is in the HOF but his roider teammate, Manny Ramirez, a much better hitter, isn't in there. I think the Raiders should all be in there but it doesn't make sense how Ortiz, Bagwellz IRodriguez are in there but other roiders aren't.

Eddie Murray is an interesting case. In 22 seasons, Murray hit 30+ HRs only 4 times with a high of 33. And age 31 to the end of his career, outside of 1 season, he was pretty mediocre. People think he was this big basher and amazing hitter because he got to 3000 and 500, but he was always healthy and wouldn't retire...just kept getting at bats. His last 10 years he had 12.2 WAR and his first 13 he had 56.6. A lot of counting stats were just those of an average player for a lot of his career. I didn't really start paying attention to baseball until about '86 or so and by that time he was kind of on the downward part of his career, which is why I wasn't too impressed with him.

I just think WAR has a lot of drawbacks. If someone hangs around amd is slightly above average for a long time, they will have a higher WAR. I think Lou Whitaker should be in the HOF. He was my favorite player growing up and I always tried to wear #1 whenever I had the chance. But Kent was a much more feared hitter in my opinion. Will Clark for example. He retired at 36 and hit over .300 his last 4 seasons. His last season he hit 21 HRs with a .319 average, .964 OPS. 4.0 WAR. He just retired because he wanted to be with his family more. He could have hung around for 4 or 5 years and racked up another 10.0 WAR possibly, but he didn't want to keep playing. WAR punishes guys that don't hang around a long time because they have other things in life they want to do. Kershaw has 80.9 WAR and Verlander has 81.7 WAR. Who was a better pitcher? Verlander is 5 years older than Kershaw. One just retired and the other is playing another year Cabrera should have retired at 34.

WAR per 162 game average: Keith Hernandez 4.7 Will Clark 4.6 Mark Teixeira 4.4 Jack Clark 4.3 John Olerud 4.2 Miguel Cabrera 3.9 Don Mattingly 3.8 Guess the one that is a sure fire 1st ballot HOFer and guess which ones have zero chance at making the HOF? All the guys played at least 15 years. And Kent has the same WAR per 162 games as Cabrera, 3.9 Craig Nettles, 68.0 WAR, 22 years, 4.1 per 162 games Miguel Cabrera, 67.2 WAR, 21 years. 3.9 per 162 games. Buddy Bell, 66.3 WAR, 18 years, 4.5 per 162 games.

I imagine Bonds hit all those home runs for him too. The dude still did what he did, no matter how much you don't want it to be true. Also, Kent hit 3rd and Bonds hit 4th. Whitaker had an actual HOFer hitting after him. That Bonds fellow couldn't even make it in the HOF.

Kent was a great choice. Your argument is based on WAR and WAR alone. Kent was arguably the greatest offensive 2nd baseman. .290 avg, 377 hrs, 1518 rbi, 1320 runs. .855 ops. I know people hate all these stats now and just go by war, but who cares if Kent wasn't a Gold Glover or amazing base runner. And just because they hate Whitaker and won't put him in the HOF doesn't mean Kent shouldn't be in there.

This is stuff that 99% of people in the board already know. But people get irrational when a player leaves to make more money as though that player owes the franchise something.

And owners have proven they don't have to be serious about winning to make money. It's obvious.

Why? He doesn't owe the Tigers anything. And hardly anyone plays for one team their entire career. But why would he want to stay with a franchise that doesn't seem to be serious about winning. His quote aboutbthinking the World Series should be the standard sure sounded like a shot at the FA's lack of trying

Last season Morton had -0.8 and Paddack had -0.6 for the Tigers. Hard to believe that a replacement player would only suck that much less than those guys did.

Word on the street is Harris is looking for multiple pitchers who will spend the entire season on th IL.

WAR calculations don't make any sense to me. In 2014, Scherzer and Sale both had a 6 5 WAR even though Scherzer was superior to Sale in every single statistic. And Iwakuma had a 7.0 WAR even though he was worse than Scherzer in everything but slightly better in ERA. And I'm sure you can find hundreds of other examples that don't seem rational

Keep him and try to win this season. I am interested in Detroit winning a World Series this season, not being proclaimed as the best minor league system.

We all know that fans make all the transactions for a mlb organization.

Cheap ass owners would never agree to a salary floor. Also, teams already have too many years of control on players. Think of poor Paul Skenes...by time he's FA, he'll have 15 more losses than wins in his career with a sub 2.00 ERA

If they allowed another roster spot, it would just be another pitcher in all likelihood

Some leagues in South/Latin America allow 25 or 26 players on the roster but allow the teams to update the roster every game, so they can rotate guys back and forth every game onto the roster. So they might have 20 pitchers going back and forth Not many pitchers go more than an inning or 2. If you hate the way bullpen are used now, you'd really hate something like that

In 2000 and 2001, his primary position was SS. 2000- 61 of 65 games at SS. 2001- 98 of 110 games at SS.

Skubal to the D-backs for Dawel Lugo, Sergio Alcantara, and Jose King. Get it done Harris!

They gave Flaherty $25 million last year with a $5 million signing bonus. This year, Flaherty will make $20 million if he makes 15 starts. And Skubal is only worth $19.5 million according to the FO. Not only is he the best player on the team, but he seems to be the team leader too. And in his final year with the team, they aren't even trying to put a better team on the field behind him.

Those damn accountants, fishermen, IT support people, biologists, etc make too much money. I'd rather have the CEO's of their company get that money.

It always amazes me that people get angry at the players for asking for part of the billions of dollars that the owners make.