Jimbo

If the Tigers were a playoff team and JV came here, he would get booed and it would be loud. I think with Stafford its a different situation. He asked to get traded (no one blames him) and part of that trade was you had to take on Goff's contract. Stafford won a Championship with the Ram's and something very rare happened with Goff. A throw away player ends up being very good for the team he was traded to. I think its just as much of support for Goff as it is against Stafford. If Calvin or Barry asked to get traded (no one would of blamed them either), they would of been booed as well. Then after retirement and they came back, they would of been cheered. Same will be the same for Stafford. Especially if we would of continued to suck. If we win a Championship or more with Goff, the cheers for Stafford won't be as loud because Goff will be more important to this franchise than Stafford. Fans want a winning team and that is above all else. When your team is bad, then you can cheer for individual players that use to be on your team and gave you good memories. I am pretty sure LA would boo Goff in a playoff game or if the game was at LA and that would be worse because he didn't request a trade and was a home grown hero.

I find it funny that anyone feels the need to boo him or not boo him. For me, if it distracts him a little bit and we get the win, I will boo him. I am a Lions first fan. That is all I care about. The Lions success as of late or the failure for all those years was not because of Stafford. The difference in the franchise is clearly Holmes and Campbell. I personally feel like Stafford could of been a success under this leadership. Although I feel like his trade definitely sped up the rebuild because of what they got in return. If you ask me who is truly the better QB regardless of wins or championships when their careers are done. I would pick Stafford (but its very close). Although for age and circumstances, Goff is the better QB for the Lions at this time. The trade was truly one of those trades that worked out perfectly for both teams. I also think both QBs are happy with it as well. I feel like Stafford is a good guy and I like his family. I was never one of those fans that thought any of our horrible years was his fault or wanted him traded. I also was never one of those people that were cheering for the Rams to win the Superbowl because of Stafford. If I was at the game, I would boo the heck out of him. Its not personal.

I think this discussion is kind of ridiculous. Compared to other teams, I am pretty sure we were pretty comparable. None of the injuries were catastrophic although they were significant. This was discussed already although losing Goff would be catastrophic although so would most playoff teams losing their starting QB. This team is not one injury from missing the playoffs (even Goff) although it could prevent them from having a deep run. Like any team if you injure more than 2/3 top ten players (on your team) for more than 8 games, you are more than likely to miss the playoffs. Top 10.....Goff, Hutch, Sewel, St. Brown, La Porta, Decker, McNeil, Ragnow, Gibbs, and Arnold (or you can put in Branch/Davis/Cambell). Lions are a top 5 with depth which means they can sustain injuries, as long as its not for long periods of time or multiple top talents.

We didn't doge the injury bug at all. We had plenty of injuries that RedRamage mentioned. Laporta also got hurt last game of the season. If it wasn't the playoffs I wouldn't of been surprised if he missed at least 2 games and probably 4.

Got of love the over reaction from the first preseason game lol. Brad Holmes has maybe made 3 not perfect picks and everyone is bringing up who they should of drafted in the Hooker pick. OK I am over reacting as well. Although this pick was a take a chance on the guy pick that went later because of an injury. The pick wasn't this draft after you extended Goff. It was an insurance draft pick and from what I saw last night, he can play in this league. We don't want to see him except for blow outs although (just the eye test) if something happens to Goff I feel like he could step in with our first team (top 3 offensive line). I actually think Sudfield can as well because if you give any QB in this league time they can perform. Although he did look terrible last night. Not saying we would be a Superbowl team with either but Goff doesn't make our team a Superbowl team to a terrible team. Any contender would take a step back if they lost there starting QB and chances of winning the Superbowl with out their starter is slim unless you have Willie Beamen lol. I wish they would of kicked some more field goals instead of going for it so we could see more of Bates. I loved the secondary in the first couple of drives. Vaki looked great against 3rd stringers although our 3rd string OL and no other RB we had could do anything. Hooker looked confident, mobility was better than expected, and I liked his stroke (like most hookers lol). Problem with mobile QBs is the injury chances are high (especially with concussions). Pretty uneventful first preseason game. Which is how its supposed to be for a Superbowl contender.

I just don't always think someone is just a bad shooter. Some of it is what they are asked to do or didn't have good technique trained in them. Some just don't have the best hand eye coordination or their body type doesn't help with being a great perimeter shooter. For instance, someone like Shaq could of tried very early on but his body type or big hands make it very difficult. Its the job of the GM to determine if they think they can make certain players better shooters. I also think in a draft when you don't have that many players that are both athletic and good shooters. The thought is being athletic is more natural ability and shooting can be worked on more. Its definitely not always the case and the last 10 years being a Pistons fan has showed that.

We probably won't know what we have in Hooker unless Goff gets hurt. If you ask me if I want Cherubini or Beamen to play if Goff gets hurt and I am going with Beamen.

I definitely think Goff's intelligence is his most underrated quality. He clearly isn't the best QB under pressure although that is most QB's in the league. So much in this league there are are just circumstances (and luck) on how successful a player becomes because there are just so many moving pieces. There are definitely players like Barry and Calvin that will succeed in all situations on pure talent although a lot of the time in the NFL there are players that would of been a lot more successful in different situations. Probably more than any other sport and especially for a QB. We can debate about who was more at fault with the break up of McVay and Goff. I would put more blame on management in these situations because that is your job. Your paid millions, not for your athletic ability but to bring out the best in your players and put them in the best situation to succeed (especially the QB). Now sometimes a player fits better with a certain coach. I think that was the case with both Stafford and Goff. This is one of those trades that I think worked perfectly for both teams. Maybe the Rams gave up a lot for the future although they won a championship and this wasn't a team that was on the up. They needed to win then because a lot of their talent wasn't go to be around for much longer. For the Lions (forget the draft picks for a second), I just don't think Stafford was ready for another regime change and even though they finally got it right it would of been very hard for him to go through that first Campbell/Holmes year without checking out. Goff was motivated and a lot younger so he was willing to listen and learn from the coaching staff. Just a good trade for everyone.

I think this discussion about Mahomes is ridiculous. In an alternate universe and we had our exact roster (and coaches and GM) with Mahomes as our QB, we would be a dynasty team. This has nothing to do with the value of Goff or Stafford. Goff and Stafford contributed directly to what our current situation is both with play and draft picks that directly landed contributing players. I just feel like Mahomes is a one in a generation type player. I feel like that for more than one reason. First is the eye test which I think is underrated when evaluating a player. He's not the most accurate, fastest, or is most mobile. He just has the it factor and makes plays to win games. He (or the team) might look terrible for 3 quarters but he is just the player that wins games when you need him to. Second is he has already done it more than any other current player (he's still a pretty young QB). He has done it with a depleted roster. He has done it injured. In the NFL, you can not win with one player and you do need to have a great coaching staff and GM that results in a good roster. Although Mahomes is the one player I feel like currently in the NFL that could do it with the least amount of quality players around him. Will he be better than Brady (as far as Championships and stats)? If I was betting, I would say no because I just think a lot more still has to happen and he would have to stay healthy and play into his mid 40's. Although if there was a player that had a chance, its him. Goff is a top 5 QB (with good OL and talent around him) and a top 15 QB (with a bad OL and with bad talent around him). Which could be good enough to win one or multiple championships (still to be determined). With Goff, you need to build around. Mahomes would make any team instantly better. He's just that guy.

Has anyone read the ESPN draft class rankings of the 21rst century? It was based the careers of the players and not necessarily what they did for that specific team. It was also before 2021. So Holmes's drafts won't be considered and that means no Detroit drafts were in the top 12 (obviously). # 1 was the 2006 Saints. If they do this 5 or 10 years from now, I think we can safely assume the Lions will have multiple draft years in the top 12. Definitely 2021 and 2023 unless something happens with these players. 2022 is potential based on the career of Jamo.

16th is ridiculous. It really amazes me how someone evaluates players. I definitely think a QB should be evaluated based on multiple things. Win percentage, measurables, eye tests, OL ranking, decision making, stats, durability......etc. How Goff is below half these guys is just plain stupid. You have to put him in the top 10 for his playoff record alone. I have commented multiple times about his play when under pressure. Although that is every QB outside of Mahomes. Even mobile QBs make bad decisions a lot of the time under pressure. It's nice to have the option to run for 20 yards on a broken play but a lot of the time they do something stupid. Its very lazy to not consider changes a QB makes at the line of scrimmage. Or the check downs. Jackson is #2 and don't get me wrong, if I had to choose between having Goff and Lamar, I would pick Lamar (its not a slam dunk though). Although, 14 spots ahead of him is just bad evaluation. All that said, I would put him around 6-8 at this point in his career. Mahomes, Burrow, Jackson, Allen are above him for sure (most will agree with this). Hurts and Herbert could be ahead of him as well. I'm sorry but these guys like Stroud and Love definitely look like studs and could easily be a top 5 QB but you have to do it for more than 1 year. Lawrence, Tua are good QB's and have potential if they can stay healthy but not above Goff. Purdy is Goff with less years and hasn't been on a bad team yet. Rodgers, Cousins, and Stafford are definitely capable of being a top 5 QB but their age should bring them down.

I guess there will be Goff/Stafford comparisons until the end of time. Understood, they have a lot in common. Both were #1 picks, both played for only the Rams and Lions, they were traded for each other, ......etc I honestly think they are very close with talent and production. Stafford definitely has a better arm although Goff's is underrated. Goff is more accurate. Goff's mobility is about as bad as it gets although Stafford isn't exactly Michael Vick. I feel like their pocket presence is about the same. I feel like Goff's decision making is slightly better than Stafford's. Although that's so hard to establish because a lot has to do with the rest of the team. Stafford has gotten a lot better as he's gotten older. If you compare their ability to read defenses and make changes at the line at similar ages, Goff has been better earlier in his career (understand the quality of their teams at the same age is drastically different). They both struggle with bad decisions when under pressure. If you think winning percentage matters than Goff has the edge there. I think they both are liked by their teammates. When Stafford was with us, I was in the camp that if you put a team around him, he can win a championship. I usually stuck up for him when friends would want him traded. I was ready to move on though and loved the trade. I will admit that I thought Goff was a stop gap until we got that QB in the draft. Although I always thought he was a good QB and really was kind of surprised LA wanted to move on so much from him. I do think that if there was a Trevor Lawrence or Caleb Williams in the 2022 draft or if we had the #1 pick in the 2021 draft, we would of moved on from Goff. I am happy with our situation now. We are definitely in the mix for a championship in the next 2-3 years.

It's definitely a factor for a WR as to who his QB is although I don't think Nacua is good just because of Stafford. If you watch his catches and what he does after the catch, they were top WR plays. Now if LA had a worse QB or a terrible OL, then perhaps you wouldn't see the numbers he had. Goff deserves credit but I am pretty sure Brown (and Nacua) would be good WR's on other teams. The eye test is probably the most important factor (on determining how good someone is) in football because there is always so many factors that help or prevent someone from being good. Its also sometimes on the WR to give confidence in his QB. Once that is established, they get more opportunities to prove themselves. I think this is going to be important with Jaymo. It seems like Goff had more confidence in him towards the end. Its also a timing factor. I am hoping discussion on here or sports radio (or even himself) can calm down the Goff respect discussion after he got his contract. Besides the extremes on both sides (he's a horrible QB or he's a top 3) I think most of us think he is a top 10-15 QB. I think we all agreed he deserved the shot at taking the Lions to a championship with a new contract. The cost was the big discussion and now that is done with, I think we can all move on. Where he ranks amongst QBs isn't important anymore. There are so many factors on what makes a great/good QB and variety of who are the best QB's in history shows that. What is important is if he can take us over the top.

It'll be interesting to see who will have the better career. Nacua or Brown? They will be compared because of their later round picks and it being the Rams and Lions. If I was a betting man I would go with Brown since he has had more successful seasons and has stayed healthy. Although Nacua was crazy last year and it was only his rookie season. The playoff game against us was ridiculous although it was against last years secondary.

Its kind of crazy to think about the Goff/Stafford trade now after three years. I am pretty sure 99% of the people thought that trade was mainly for the draft picks (which it was the main reason but ended up being a lot more). We were a rebuilding team that could take Goff's contract. I don't think anyone thought Goff would be this good for us. I think how everything laid out was perfect for him. A big factor was we didn't end up with the #1 pick in the 2021 draft and there wasn't a quality QB in the 2022 draft. Another big factor is if LA got an earlier draft pick than 6 in 2023. Would we of traded, taken Anderson, or taken Stroud/Richardson? Most thought he would be serviceable while we built up our team but he wouldn't be with us past his last contract. He did get lucky that the Lions did a great job finding talent around him (especially a top 5 OL). To his credit, he did exactly what he needed to do and drastically exceeded expectations. How the story continues is going to be just as interesting. Does he get us to a championship?

I don't see the Lions making any decisions on Hooker next season. A lot depends on what they feel like they have with him. The Goff signing doesn't say anything about Hooker. Even if they thought Hooker was a possible star in this league, they still had to sign Goff. The Lions are a Super Bowl contender, they had no choice but to go with the team (QB) that got them to the conference championship. I feel like decisions with Hooker will be after next season. If they feel like they have a player like Love that can learn and take over than more difficult decisions will have to be made. This team will be Goff's as long as this team competes for a Championship. He earned the shot to take them to one regardless what kind of player Hooker is.

This is more than I wanted to pay. Not because he didn't deserve it but I was hoping Goff was the kind of guy wanting to pay more towards the rest of the team since this is his 3rd contract. That being said, I thought it would be around this and a year from now it won't be that bad. I am just happy this deal is done before the season started. Goff became a big fan favorite because he was a very good QB after another team didn't want him and was actually willing to give us draft picks to take him. Things change now that the Lions gave him a contract. He is no longer Cinderella but the actual King and with that will come more criticism. He can take it and really besides Mahomes all QBs get that after they get a big contract.

The suspension wasn't the only thing he did that was a dumb decision. Everything he did was harmless but it showed some immaturity. Just saying, seeing what his parents said and the fact that we have strong character personalities on this team made me feel better about his direction. If he turns out as a pro bowler or a very reliable WR is still to be determined. Now everyone loves Campbell and the direction the Lions have gone with high character players. Although it took some time for the fans and media to get on the bandwagon. These are situations why you want a strong locker room. Being a big bad boys fans. Rodman needed those high character players and coaches around him to keep him in line and flourish (Isiah, Jordan, Daily, Jackson,....etc). BTW I am not saying Jaymo is anything close to Rodman (as far as talent or a headcase), just using him as an extreme example. I feel like I am in the twilight zone and most decisions this team has made since getting rid of Quinn and Patricia has been about as good as you could expect. I think one of the underrated decisions was to bring on Spielman to help make these decisions.

What a complete moron. This is what happens when you don't have a good support group around you. Everyone was talking about the decisions Jaymo made and he did do some stupid stuff although after I heard his parents talk, it made me feel good that he had a good support system around him. Also the things he did weren't criminal, just dumb comments and not knowing the rules fully.

I guess the Titans are going for the geriatric WR team. Looks like Burks is out of the rotation there.

This could be one position that we look at the trade deadline. All depending on injuries and DPJ and green making an impact. I am definitely good with Boyd although I think he wants multiple years and not sure we want to do that.

Obviously there are a lot of dumb GM's in the NFL although I am not sure if Goff is thought of as a top 5 QB. To me, that was a dumb contract Atlanta gave Cousins (especially after their draft pick, injury history, and age). I think Goff needs us as much as we need him. Goff is average if he doesn't have a good line and weapons. There was that stretch between the Chicago games that he looked really bad. Or if you go to his start to being a Lion. BTW that is most of the QB's in history. How good is Purdy if he is on Carolina. Although I feel like if you put Purdy on our team, he will be just as good as he is with SF. Goff is going to get paid regardless, I just hope he realizes the cost (with other good players around him) to keep him a top 5 QB and is willing to take a little less. I think that is why there isn't a deal yet. His agent works for Goff and is trying to get the most but I think at some point Goff might tell his agent, OK I am good with a little less to stay on this team for the long term. Or maybe they are waiting for another big QB contract to put more desperation with the Lions. If the Lions give him that 4 years at 200mil or more, the Lions will be good and still compete for the Superbowl although if he is will to do 5 years at 210 or something similar, it could mean actually winning. It goes from being a normal contract for a QB to being a deal, and that is what helps franchises go from great to the best.

I think when Goff gets discussed on here or talk radio or even just amongst friends, it goes into great depth on what he does good and why he is a good or great QB. For his skill set, he is a top 10 QB (just based on his actual skill set and not his stats). My whole thing is how much you pay a QB can really put a franchise back or on pause. Now I do realize that if they sign him to a big contract, that contract in two to three years might not be that bad. Regardless, Goff's contract is going to prevent us from keeping certain players. How much is what I am hoping to avoid. I have seen this happen to so many franchises. Luckily I am not that worried about it because I have total faith in our organization to make the right call. I also don't want the fan support to cause the franchise to over pay for him which luckily again I don't think this current regime would do. That being said, the amount I feel like he should get is around 45mil a year (depending on the length). If he gets 50 or more, I won't be upset, although I will feel like he was overpaid. I also look at what I feel like other teams would pay for him if he was a free agent. Non of that matters if we win a Superbowl or are contenders for it for the next few years.

I just said pro bowler. I don't think whatever combo of guys they put on the line will be a non factor. If your coverage is better there is a lot more you can do up front to put pressure on the QB. I think the biggest factor will be what we do against mobile QBs. Which always seems to kill us. All of this is if the rookies and the guys they picked up in the off season are as good as predicted. Good thing is we also have some depth there. For me, this is the year Glenn needs to prove himself. He has more talent now, so the excuses are gone. I don't think it was Holme's strategy to have a deep secondary, its just the way the draft fell. That's why I like him. He went with talent and then when you have good coaches you have to flexibility to with your strengths. I would of been fine if Arnold was gone and Turner or Verse slipped more and went with them.

I am not anit-Goff. I am anti over paying for him. Saying he is a top 10 QB is not anti-Goff. I just don't want us to overpay. Luckily there is a lot of faith in Holmes. So if he decides hes worth 4 years 200 mil, I am good with that. If you see him wait and franchise him, I am good with that.