after Cade, Duren and Ivey have some talent, but....
Duren should be playing on a team where there are always 4 shooters out there with him - Pistons can't provide that. Ivey has some offensive talent, but he is just a phenomenally bad defender - every one just blows by him off the dribble. What do you do with that? If you took Hayes and Ivey and combined their best attributes in one player you'd almost have an NBA starting guard.