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Everything posted by gehringer_2
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yes - I'm sure there is/was. The question is how was it subverted? Moore could simply have lied to HR/financial staff about what he was doing, or he found other staff to enable what he was doing, or worst case, Warde was apprised about what he was doing and had the authority and poor judgement to sign off on it. 🙄
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yeah - I'm not sure the salaries of Moore's staff are something Warde would be reviewing - but it certainly would have been someone's job to bring something like that to Warde's attention when *they* saw it. And that person might not even report in Warde's chain of command. Again, from where we sit, we don't know where the point of failure was. But Warde is the most likely candidate to take the fall either way.
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That isn't what HR does at UM that I ever saw. Staff salaries are paid out of departmental budgets. There are usually financial side administrators that the departmental people have to work through for anything that involves money. I would say there had to be a unit financial staffer who had to have put this through - the only question is was there a story to go with it that made it passible or were they just caving to the influence of the Head Coach? The systems at UM in my experience were pretty decent. But you still need people to pay attention to them. My guess is there were controls in place and either Moore fabricated his way past them or he had enablers that weren't doing their jobs.
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the whole thing is getting more malignant by the day. I don't know where it all ends - it's already gone way past where I ever thought it would before Congress stepped in to ordain a new set of rules. This isn't the thread for national political discussion but it's fair enough to say that the situation in college athletics is just one of many symptoms of a multi-decade long deterioration in useful national government.
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You can say anything you want about 'someone should have known' but short of surveiling people illegally you probably aren't going to know who's canoodling whom - at least until some party aggrieved by it shows up. But someone should have caught that- raises in xs of the annual pool % have to be justified. Now maybe they came up with a good story about added responsibilities or additional direct reports or something. But if not someone in the unit business office that passed this along without raising a flag should also take some heat.
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That's the external take, that may or may not be the internal take. Just to take the Devil's advocacy, what if it was S Ono who pushed for Moore the be given the shot and Warde's position had been he wanted someone more experienced? That's a pure hypothetical but it's the kind of thing that no-one on the outside has any way of knowing. So if Warde isn't broomed, you can assume things on the inside do not necessarily appear as they do on the outside. Or he may be gone tomorrow, and the more conventional take was true. But we won't know until it happens. One of the weaknesses in the program as a whole right now is because of the constant churn in athletics since Lloyd Carr, plus the a lot of turnover the overall top admin jobs, there just aren't any admin or athletic dept 'elder statesman's around. Manuel is about the only person there with any deep intituational memory and if the question is him, that doesn't leave much expertise for the decision.
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If DeBour is who they want and Warde gets him then it's hard to see how that would not increase the probability that Warde keeps his gig.
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yup - waste of time to go through that dog and pony show again when you don't even control the House, and TBH, it would likely decrease the chances of more House members falling away from Trump on their own. Trump is doing enough to alienate his own troops like MTG. Don't make it an us vs them thing that motivates them to stick together.
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HaHa - true.
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well, he didn't attack Warde so security wasn't needed, and frankly I'm not sure what an HR rep could have done that would have made any difference once he left the building.
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Red Wings December 2025 Game Threads
gehringer_2 replied to lordstanley's topic in Detroit Red Wings
maybe an injury to Edvinsson is the stars aligning to force Yzerman to go all out for Hughes. -
Saban won't want back in because with the money now above board he can no longer get the kind of advantage he had at Alabama and he knows it better than anyone else.
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this we agree on, even if for some different reasons. With respect to Warde, don't forget he doesn't act in a vacuum. He not a free agent and the institution is responsible for some the imperatives he faces. That said I won't argue he's hasn't been to slow to stop the bleeding. But of course if he had been a lot quicker with the hammer, one of those might well have fallen on Harbaugh at a point well before he brought them the NC, so there's that to consider!
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Red Wings December 2025 Game Threads
gehringer_2 replied to lordstanley's topic in Detroit Red Wings
Wings in 1st place in the Atlantic with a -6 goal differential -
IDK - that's pretty meaningless. It was Harbaugh's team, Harbaugh's game plan being executed by the guys in the booth. All Moore had to do was make in game decisions on a template already designed for him. That's a tiny piece of a major college football coach's overall job, even if Moore did do it well. He may or may not have proven to the people around him that he was ready to be head coach somewhere, but wearing the headset in those games would not have been that much of the reason why.
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Karch is an old pro at this point, it will just be more to fodder to drive ratings.
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It's looking like Warde apparently has pics on some of the regents. I guess I wouldn't be surprised if this does him in, but I bet it will done most gracefully, and probably several month from now at least.
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I agree from some quarters, but the reality is that inexperienced assistants are passed over when coaches leave 99% of the time, so I will disagree they would have suffered all that much backlash to have dumped Moore which was the normal thing to have done. No argument they should have been better prepared for JH to walk, it had been as obvious as the nose on anyone's face for the preceding two years.
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Red Wings December 2025 Game Threads
gehringer_2 replied to lordstanley's topic in Detroit Red Wings
I won't knock any win gained on a west coast trip, but these collapses are for the birds. Maybe 'game management' is too theoretical a concept for getting through to these guys. Maybe McLellan would have better luck with "knock 'em on their ass for 20min" -
I don't get the 'easy' critique. They buy search, investigative and interview services - it wasn't going to be hard on anyone to have undertaken a search. But I will grant the situational uncertainly was high - that was going to be the hard part. So if you feel you can't have confidence in a decision you make today but think that situation will change by tomorrow, then make the decision tomorrow. I don't see that as an organization failure per se - it's a tactical choice. Plus they saved a lot of money - which always matters. And there was always the chance Moore would have been more successful, because they wanted Moore to be successful - that's a story the U wanted to be able to tell. (fail there) Plus, I know everyone seems to think no-one would ever turn down an offer to coach M, but anyone would rather step in to clean up after a guy messed up and 10 wins will be seen as progress, than have to follow an NC winner who left you with a bare cupboard and an investigation still pending. Long story short, they are in a better position to get a yes from someone they want today than on the heels of Harbaugh's exit.
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Yup. And I think an additional factor was with the the NCAA sanctions pending, the House case pending, the NIL system/athletic payments etc all up in the air, they were willing to let it ride on Moore at low cost to see if the dust settled a bit before they committed big $ to a coach whose skill fit might to be obsoleted by circumstance (e.g. do you make prep recruiting your #1 priority if college football is going to end up with the equivalent of a draft, etc). And who knows, Moore might win a few games. So wait and see hasn't particularly worked out. Things are almost as much up in the air as 2 yrs ago, even though the House settlement has come down. But they did beat OSU last season. So I doubt they feel too bad about the decision to bide their time per se. They only now regret doing it with Moore.
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Red Wings December 2025 Game Threads
gehringer_2 replied to lordstanley's topic in Detroit Red Wings
yeah - watching the last 5 min of the 2nd you'd never know the wings were up by 4. They seem to just go into these deep low energy funks where is nothing but half-hearted effort to get back a puck. Very odd team even when they play well, -
I wouldn't lose any sleep if Trump just sent in a force and removed Maduro - he's earned it many times over. But if you want to do it, do it. Quit fartzing around with speed boats and killing random people and lots of typical useless Trump running at the mouth that's not making any difference for Venezuelans at all.
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have seen various reports that it's protective custody suicide prevention, to a domestic row/possible altercation with his wife, to B&E at the girlfriend's house. Take your pick - could be all three if he was on a tear.
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Buddha says he's still under a ban
