gehringer_2

I'm not trying to PIN anything on anyone.

man - bring it down a notch. You are overeading what I'm saying. And I wasn't even thinking about the GOP, I was thinking about the DEMS! . And I would argue the college of cardinals and US senate have a good deal in common, but we can leave that for another day. It's just human nature than when you become a part of any institution its imperatives will have a draw that any given human being will resist to greater or lesser degree and I guarantee you that some of those cardinals that Francis appointed have drifted into becoming a new old-guard interested in protecting the insitution just like the people they replaced. That doesn't mean they have necessarily made any u-turns in their theology, but that they have become less interested in driving change than they may have been when appointed and thus - to get to the case at hand, less likely to support a papal candidate even as unorthodox as Francis was. We will find out how many, if any, when they pick a new pope.

Which is another way of saying that no-one will give up fair value even for a good pitcher even with a full year of control. Which argues that you might as well get the last year's value yourself, let him walk, and hope your comp pick turns into a serviceable player. I think you can do well with deadline deals with more average players, but not so much at the all-star level.

Norris was even worse than that - he never planted right - stiff or not, and he recoiled after his release and half fell off the mound. A still legged pitcher can still be reproducible and succeed (JV lands pretty stiffly and lasted a long time). That recoil prevented Norris from ever having a consistent follow through and release on his pitches, and he never conquered it.

You don't have to go from one extreme to the other to be co-opted. Look at your average US Senator after 10 or 15 yr in office. They may be in the same party, but they may also have bought pretty deeply into the institution they arrived at thinking they would change.

IDK, his mechanics were messed up from day one he arrived. He was always going to be project. Granted, given the lack of developmental acumen probably a dumb move taking on such a project.

what about a trade for major leaguers? I'm not sure why the discussion is stuck on a trade for prospects. If you can't sign him and you want to get some kind of return, why limit the discussion to a prospect trade? I wouldn't think the team would limit trade talks to prospects if they do go down that route.

A reality brought to us by the CBA which probably isn't going to go away. ☹️

Tigers weren't the only org that tried and failed to fix Norris, but they did fail at it longer.

When Norris 1st came to Detroit he had a fantastic swing and miss fastball, but his mechanics were a disaster. It was a reasonable thought that you could fix the latter without losing the former, but between injuries and the fact he simply could not get his body to throw a baseball hard enough in any reasonably reproducible way, it never came to be. I thought Norris was even more frustrating than Dontrelle in terms of there being an arm there that the rest of the body just wouldn't cooperate with.

I cook on a gas burner, it will ignite *any* hydrocarbon oil if spills over (as would a red hot electrical element) so that makes no difference for me. There might be a marginal difference if you are using induction. But the difference in your life expectancy due to any increase in the likelihood of a kitchen fire pretty much pails compared to the risk to your health from increasing the animal fat in your diet.

Of course if we followed RFKJ's advice we wouldn't have to worry about food dyes as we'd all be dead of coronary disease long before the chemicals got us.

My question would be how long does it take for the average Cardinal to get co-opted by the institution/Curia and how many are still the people they were when he elevated them?

RFK Jr's latest kick. Most of your vegy oils other than virgin olive oil are solvent extracted - can't have that. I suppose in a perfect world it's an infinitesimal risk that could be avoided, but the price of purely pressed oils would probably be several times higher. Or to make the tradeoff a little more plain, you can have a perfect food supply, and starve half the world to death.

now you're going too far.....

Because he will be 37, his even strength goals are trending down, his takeaways are trending down, his give-ways are trending up and they will probably over pay, other than that, no reason.

Maybe someday some one will figure out how to win a baseball game without scoring any runs. 'Till then it's gonna be a loss.

Boyds career WAR after the trade was not too much different from Price's, Norris was sub replacement as often as he made a positive contribution - so we did better than MN did moving Santana and better than we did moving Verlander, but I think the odds are you move Skubal you end with a lot less total WAR returned than he will generate - the question is can you use the money you save to find/buy/develop other players to make up for it. Bottom line I doubt the Tigers can recoup much of his value whether they try to trade him or not.

no indeed, and if they move Skubal it should also be in the off-season, but like the Twins, they probably won't get real value back, just like moving Sale was no answer for the White Sox, nor moving Verlander was for the Tigers (though of course they weren't even in contention). It seems counter intuitive not to take the trade value a year out but it seems more often than not the value returned in the player's walk year is as great or greater than the trade return ends up being so you might at will keep the player and take the comp pick when he walks.

Too bad because cooking done in beef tallow might need a little more color.......

the fault here is Paramount more than the gov. US news orgs have gotten heavy heat from administrations they criticized before (people forget because it's been a while since Nixon). The difference is in the ownership structure of the news orgs. They are all basically inside the oligarchy now.

I'd rather see them let Kane go - he's on a down hill run is isn't the player they really need - but I know they will sign him.

the Twins were a contending team when they moved Santana - they finished 1 game behind the Sox for the division in 2008 after moving him. And won the division in '09 & '10 without him. IIRC the trade ended up pretty much a bust for them but they were a contender when they made it. Carlos Gomez eventually did OK but the rest were pretty meh.

It's still all 'greater fool'. If they had hit $0.40 they'd still be at over 100 P/E with no serious future expectation of increasing market share with BYD having lapped them internationally and Euro sales cratered by Musk's politics.

They got what they wanted. But this is probably just another opportunity for a Trump grift. He'll sign off once Sanders agrees to put all state employess in Trump merch unis or some similar payoff.