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I want to do the Chris Sale example too... Contract signed 2013, his last year pre-arb. (p.s. most of these deals happen in spring training) 2013: $850K 2014: $3.5M 2015: $6M 2016: $9.15M 2017: $12M 2018: $12.5M (Option, $1M Buyout) 2019: $13.5M (Option, $1M Buyout, increased to $15M with Cy Young incentives) Traded before the 2017 season, so while he as making $12M that year, his CBT number was $6.5M. The Red Sox could get him without blowing through the tax... thus they were willing to give up a bit more for him.

I can think of three of these long term pre-arb extensions that haven't worked out, out of the dozens that have happened. (Singleton, Kingery, Tabata). There is some risk, but it is the smart thing to do if Tork and Greene are amenable to it. They are about as low risk as prospects who haven't hit the bigs get. Worst comes to worst, they are okay players you are on the hook for 5-6 years down the road. Take Ronald Acuna for example 2019: $1M 2020: $1M 2021: $5M 2022: $15M 2023: $17M 2024: $17M 2025: $17M 2026: $17M 2027: $17M option ($10M buyout) 2028: $17M option The AAV on the deal comes out to $12.5M (the buyout on the option in 2027 plays into this, if you are checking my math) so the Braves take a $11.5M hit on the luxury tax in 2019-2020 when they aren't likely to be paying it to save $4.5M against it in 2023-2026 when their players may be getting expensive or they need to hit free agency. Also, due to the way the buyouts work, his CBT number in 2027 is $7M that year. There are several examples of this. Chris Sale: the White Sox did this with him and were able to get Yoan Moncada for him. Why? Because his CBT number was low and the Red Sox were up against the CBT cap. The Tigers went year to year with guys and it killed them when they got good. Bear in mind the competitive balance tax is not just a tax on the owner, draft pick compensation is affected (why the Tigers got a pile of scraps for JD Martinez, because they were only getting a 4th rounder for him), as are the competitive balance draft picks and international bonus pool.

Be careful jumping to this conclusion in AFL games. Also be careful jumping to this conclusion because you've heard of the prospect who started. He fell off the planet this year.

Obviously the creme de la creme get picked for playoffs... or I should say the available creme de la creme. I stumbed across some Orioles games this year, and they have their own version of Shep.

Repeat after me, everybody penciling him into next year's rotation: Wily Peralta Is A Free Agent

The Tigers re-upped with Bally Sports going forward. I wonder if they got the payday they hoped for. I know they were exploring an RSN, but RSN's have kinda taken a dive with cord cutting the past few years.

All this talk of extensions, but assuming the competitive balance tax stays as is, the Tigers would be wise to get Tork and Greene signed to extensions that cover their arb years and maybe a year or two of free agency. Those contracts tend to be progressive, meaning that by year 5 or 6 they are likely going to be in the 15-25 million range if things go well, but if they are part of an extension, the AAV includes the years making the minimum. So while they would be making that 15-25, they would only count like 6 against the tax.

The carping gets to me, but they have a point. The chop didn't start until the 90's or so when Deion brought it from Florida State, so it isn't like it is some grandfathered-in tradition.

I had this realization this week, and it surprised me when I had it. Wainwright is good too.

I actually disagree for this, and love how shit isn't censored. The vaccine as able to be developed so quickly because so many people got the virus and helped the developers achieve statistical significance. He helped with development in that regard. As far as distribution, his lack of planning and care for the American people was showing itself there big time.

They nailed both of the controversial calls last night. Luis Garcia's motion on the other hand...

The announcers don't know jack about the rules.

The MLB Rulebook is remarkably air tight. I was actually pretty impressed this exact play was right there. So many saying that it "should be" changed are just projecting their ignorance of the rules onto the situation.

Here's your list of minor league free agents, who are eligible. Jose Appleton Juan Centeno Cale Coshow Isrreal De La Cruz Yariel Gonzalez Carlos Guzman Wilkel Hernandez Xavier Javier A.J. Ladwig Mark Leiter Jr. Josh Lester Henry Martinez Gerson Moreno Pedro Payano Franklin Perez Ricardo Pinto Wladimir Pinto Aderlin Rodriguez Elvin Rodriguez Jesus Rodriguez Zac Shepherd Gresuan Silverio Locke St. John Christin Stewart Christhian Tortosa Drew Ward It is possible that the Tigers have worked out non-public extensions with some of these guys. For anybody you want to keep that you don't have signed to a minor league extension, you can add the 40 man roster before they declare free agency five days after the World Series ends. Many players on the 40-man roster currently would also be free agents if they are outrighted. This is an exclusive list, not to say that all these guys are candidates, but it is difficult to draw the line. Tyler Alexander Matthew Boyd Daz Cameron Jeimer Candelario Harold Castro Willi Castro Jose Cisnero Miguel Del Pozo Michael Fulmer Rony Garcia Dustin Garneau Niko Goodrum Grayson Greiner Eric Haase Derek Hill Drew Hutchison Joe Jimenez Ian Krol Isaac Paredes Victor Reyes Gregory Soto Spencer Turnbull

This jives with some things I've heard about his personality. The podcast/twitter persona are divergent from his real life personality.

Just confirmed that pre-arb deals are also non-guaranteed subject to the same termination pay terms.

A player awarded a salary in arbitration gets a non-guaranteed contract. He is entitled to 30 days termination pay if released 15 days prior to opening day, 45 days termination pay if less than 15 days to Opening Day, contract becomes guaranteed on the opening day roster. I am unclear on if this is the case for deals that avoid arbitration.

Right. He's a career .215/.275/.371 hitter in 1195 career PA.

Did JaCoby Jones declaring free agency on Wednesday make this thread? He did.

I've heard that the reliance in baseball on R is an accident of history. The first analyst to deep dive databases used it, so everybody else does.

Put your money where your mouth is and apply. Let us know how it goes. I will say I have had one member of the front office reach out to me and tell me I know my stuff and I still don't feel qualified for any of the positions posted despite a somewhat working knowledge of the computer tools, biomechanics, analytics, etc. But seriously, put your theory to the test and apply.

I've seen him penciled into next year's rotation a couple times, but you all know Peralta is a free agent right?

A few things after a mini Google Rabbit Hole... He voted for the bathroom bill. He's running for the House Seat that got overturned due to election fraud a couple years ago.

It made sense to keep Willi up all year so you have the... umm... option to option him next year.

Avila talking about the player development overhaul saying they need to bring in people who can teach how to teach using the new equipment. Player development is the key and they have moved to the upper echelon. Plus anytime Hinch speaks you know the team is in good hand.