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So ignore the hitting problem because pitchers may get injured. Try to win low scoring games. In that case, we also had the problem with our defense.

Zach doesnt have the range to play SS. Maybe to fill on when there's an emergency, but that's about it. As for those guys playing for a better team? They would have to do better than what they do here or they wouldn't be playing. The Tigers are beyond patient with Tork, it's really making me wonder why? His draft status? He has/had potential but it's getting real old waiting for quality results. And McKinstry is just a glorified utility guy, good to have, when needed. Pressed into full time duty, his weaknesses are more exposed.

Yeah, I won't argue that. But we still had offensive issues to address that never were. Having enough depth to cover all of our injuries was/is impossible but seriously, the only thing we really did was retain Torres. A RH hitting corner outfielder woulda been nice. Or even a RH hitting DH type who could fill in at 1st base occasionally. I dont know who all was available but there had to be some help out there.

Again, it's not the fact that they use advanced stats to help them make decisions. Its the incorrect use of them thats the problem. It was really, really obvious last season that our offense needed serious help. We had an off-season to sign or trade for needed help. We didn't sign or trade for anyone. That's a failure...whether they used some secret formula or whatever. Luckily, there's still plenty of season left. We need to get Javy and Carp back. Short and Perez are worse than black holes. They're hopeless.

Ugh...first off, they signed Valdez BEFORE they had pitching injuries. Olson was still being counted on, so was an effective Flaherty. As well as Melton. So current injuries, while predictable, arent the reason they signed Valdez. But hitting WAS a known problem and that problem was ignored. You cant say McGonigle was their answer to our hitting because nobody knew he was even going to be on the team. Its like....one strawman argument after another.

I'm not a GM. I don't make trades. Same as Harris...he doesnt make trades. But yeah. You're right, everything is fine and wonderful because everyone uses analytics.

Ha-ha....are you kidding me? Seriously? Maybe we'll win and these guys can just....keep playig. I'm sure over the next 10 games, we may even win another one. SMH

Is there a 1st baseman who is worse that Tork? One who plays every day? The Tigers have been very patient with him. I doubt many teams would be so patient. His value, right now, is worth nothing. I doubt we could give him away, find a team to take on whatever his salary is? Doubtful.

I dont know, I'm not a baseball executive studying analytics. People in charge of the team are responsible for success or failures of the team. The last couple of years were pretty successful but that is NO reason to try to improve. And again....hitting and scoring runs were a problem heading into the off-season. That problem wasn't addressed.

You dont seem to understand. Its not the use of stats that bothers me. Its the misuse of them. What possible analytic looked at the Detroit offense from last season and said we didnt need more and better hitters to consistency score more runs? Whoever looked at this team and decided we needed pitching was....wrong. spending millions of dollars on Valdez? We would have been better off signing a corner outfielder and a DH type. But yeah, losing that argument only means we have a team thats soon to be 10 games out of 1st place. Maybe when Javy, Carp and Torres get back, we'll make a run? Or...maybe not?

The off-season. We needed hitting and spent, overspent, on pitching. We. Needed. Hitting. We. Signed. Pitching. Doesn't analytics say a team needs to score runs? Kinda basic baseball, no?

They need a field manager because that's who you blame when a team goes south. NOT that I want Hinch fired but managers in general. They're hired to be fired, eventually. The buck stops with the skipper. You can't, fire 25 guys (26), as the old expression goes. A managers main job is the lineup card and pitching changes. Not scoring any runs and keep sending Short out there? Some people might say that's negligence and a firable offense. 😚😚

Short term, huh? What did the Tigers have? A 15 game lead last August? Yeah, there were pretty obvious hitting (and scoring runs) problems. So we went out and signed...pitching and ignored the most obvious and bigger needs....because....analytics? I guess we can see who lost that argument....the fans. But it's OK...we'll win the division because....again...analytics say so. Stay the course and keep running out the same guys every day. Un-huh. And BTW? Who said anything about firing Hinch or Harris? We made the playoffs 2 years in a row and even won a couple of series. But making the team better is a goal that many would like to see.

Mostly agree. If they can, find somebody with more upside than Jung though. If not, totally agree. This was something that should have been addressed last off-season, our collapse should have been enough of a reason to acquire some better bats.

Analytics arent working. Maybe theyll win an occasional game or so but long term? Playing the platoon of using Short and an ineffective Tork will get basically the same results as the last 60 games or so. We are we, about 40 games under .500 since last fall? How much data is needed?

So put Keith at 3rd...Lee at 2nd. And find a 1st baseman...Toledo or a trade? Waiver wire? Shake. Things. Up. No more Tork...no more Perez and no more Short.

I don't care so much for ever using Short at...short (😁). I say use McGonigle at SS and either Zach, Keith or Lee at 3rd. Even with a LH SP against us, Zack or Keith have better chances of getting on base. My shakeup attempt would have Zack in RF, Keith at 1st base, the kid at SS and Lee at 3rd. We need a 2nd baseman from Toledo?? The heck with the lefty-righty splits, it's obviously not working. And Tork needs some time down in Toledo. So Perez, Tork and Short benched. Addition by subtraction.

Is this his quote from last September? Or recent? It could be either....

Run the same lineup out there and expect different results? Or shake things up and try to send a message? Bench Tork? Sit Perez? And please....no more Short.

Who? Javy? Carpenter? The problem is mostly scoring runs, our pitching has kept us in most games. I agree, it's not on Hinch. We need a RH power hitting RF or DH. We didnt address our September drop-off in the winter and it seems to have carried over. Edit; oh, and it's time for Tork to make a Toledo visit.

Philadelphia fired their manager and now they are red hot! Coincidence?

Tigers need a good brawl.

Can't argue with that. Some of these Tiger games are unwatchable.

7-1 and counting...

Riley, McGonigle and.....Dingler?