Greg Pappas

Grats guys! Your team is on fire and has earned where they are.

I admit that I was wrong when I said during the trade deadline that you guys were not a playoff team this year or even likely next year. The Tigers got hot! Maybe my doubt spurred them on?! Anyone, I'm glad all is going well for them/you, but will root against them if they match up with the O's. Take care.

Thanks, saw that a bit ago. I had posted a Mullins for Seranthony trade, so this is close. I can assure you this is a precursor to a bigger trade.

Good post. I think we're mostly agreeing. Neither of us expect a trade, but even if not, I've appreciated the discussion. I would like to ask, what would be your final proposal on a deal? Last call, what trade has you agreeing to pull the trigger?

Right, he has proven he is a major leaguer. That's not in question. What is speculative is his durability and ability to throw at the same level once he breaks through his previous high (149.1) in IP. Most O's fans (including me) feel he can do it, but still see the risk in it. I just feel some Tigers' fans need to at least acknowledge that part of it. Again, I hope it works out.

That's not unreasonable. I honestly would be shocked if Holliday were dealt, but it's not a ridiculous thing to see him included in these sort of proposals.

So, to be clear, you're saying Skubal would be the CY Young winner if the season ended today? If so, we agree, though it's pretty close. But that's just it, the season doesn't end today. You make a large point about speculation in regards to prospects, yet don't mention Skubal's performance (and health) moving forward as being speculative. He's never thrown over 149.1 innings in his career, yet you are already declaring he's better than the proven Burnes, who has pitched at a Top Tier level for years AND you then say that it's not close? Skubal's numbers are slightly better than Burnes at this time, as both have 20 starts, with Skubal's ERA at 2.34 v Burnes at 2.38 and Skubal's WHIP at 0.919 v Burnes at 1.043. Burnes has actually won a Cy Young, received MVP votes, and been a 4x All Star. It's speculative to imply Skubal is better and will continue to be better. The truth is, Skubal v Burnes is not really important, but you brought it up. Skubal has 2.4 years of control remaining. That's a fact. Injuries have been an unfortunate reality for Skubal. That is also a fact. He's been great thus far this season (fact) and looks like he's going to be great moving forward, if he remains healthy. That last part is speculative. Over the last four years Skubal has logged 149 IP, 118 IP, 80 IP, and 123 IP. Those are facts. I and most of the O's fanbase would love to acquire Skubal. That's also a fact. Again, it's not fair to say these top tier prospects may not pan out, and then say that Skubal will. There needs to be room to admit there is risk in these types of trades. I sincerely hope that a fair deal can be had and that everyone wins. That usually means both fan bases feel they got robbed. LOL

We wouldn't need Meadows in return, but essentially Holliday, Brandon Young, Strowd, and Rhodes (or Fabian) would do it for you?

I'm on that site and appreciate the work they put into it, though, as they themselves admit, it's just a best guess. If you just took away Norby, that would make it super close in value. Naturally, many feel the O's would not trade Holliday, but as I've repeated, one never knows.

I'm curious, in all seriousness (as if we should take this as a serious thing 😛 ) what you would legitimately want from the O's for Skubal. The hour is getting late, and we are a team in need. Skubal's not the only starter in town, but may be the best available, despite his injury risks and prior innings pitched totals. Thanks in advance.

FWIW I agree with many of you that Skubal stays. 🙂

The Dodgers have nowhere near the prospect value we do, so if Skubal is dealt to them, it'll likely be because Elias just wouldn't pull the trigger. He's in a tough spot and other teams know it. So, it'll be interesting to see how he resolves our needs.

I agree with you in general. We do need to make a move or moves for pitching, but was illustrating that the "logjam" isn't that backed up. It is cool to imagine all of these guys in the lineup but the odds are that something will go down at the deadline, and one or more of these bigger prospects could be a part of that. Yeah, I wasn't saying this year in regards to the defense. But rather beginning next season and on from there.

Most at the Orioles Hangout said no, but not all. Man, I'd love to get Skubal, but it just seems like it'll be too tough to get done.

To compare Skubal's trade to Soto's isn't realistic. Just my two cents though.