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Is this real life?

Should’ve started him. 1.000 WHIP

What are we gonna do after they collectively can’t get out of the 5th?

Never trade with the Rays. Those two Low-A prospects are guaranteed future plus big leaguers. If fanduel had a betting line out for that, I’d put my 401k on it

Glad I’m not a White Sox fan because I would be piiiisssed at Crochet right now. Not that their brass would’ve made a good trade for him anyway, but still. He just complicated his trade market and raised red flags about himself while in the same division as the other big name starters that everyone is looking at.

On the surface that seems like a pretty good return for Puk. Haven’t looked at either of the defensive profiles though but they both have had success offensively in the minors

The White Sox are now on pace to have a worse record than the 2003 Tigers. Amazing because that 03 team had nothing close to Crochet and Fedde in their rotation.

Baez with 1.0 WAR today…..

Which was apparently spent on repeatedly putting hits out on Franklin Perez’s elbow

He is having lower leg issues. Hence why he is DHing the last couple games and sat out the other day.

There’s risk for the Orioles too obviously, but they have the position player depth to absorb the hit if Skubal gets hurt or regresses heavily. If we dealt Skubal and don’t get multiple high value major leaguers in return, it stutters our rebuild—which has already stuttered multiple times since Mike Illitch passed away. Skubal isn’t even expensive, so if he does get hurt it’s not like you’re tied to a monster contract that would prevent you from signing starters in the future.

Sarcasm aside, I guarantee we outperform Al Avila

I’d be good with that if it didn’t mean more extended relief outings from Faedo/Wentz/Maeda…. Holton is a weirdly important cog in the bullpen

I don’t think we are getting a superstar caliber return for half a season of Jack Flaherty though. An above average major league level position prospect is probably the ceiling here unless we add more going out with him. Flaherty is a great get for a contender, but everyone knows the contract situation and our position as a team needing to move him to bolster our future. We have leverage here, but nothing close to the leverage for trading Skubal.

Well with JV we knew our competitive window was closing and a rebuild would be imminent. JV also had some injury issues and had a year or two of declined performance (by his standards). Even at the time I was underwhelmed with the return. None of it was major league ready. With Skubal, this is a guy who is young, cost controlled for years, still improving, and we are (hopefully) at the beginning part of a competitive window. So the value of Skubal to us and the stakes of not getting a gigantic return for him are especially high.

I don’t think trying to get a close or even trade value through a computer model is the goal here. Skubal is a known quantity and value right now. Everyone else is a projected value. I want more in return of projected value than what Skubal is physically giving right now. All it takes is for one of those prospects to get hurt badly or flame out for it to be a massive W for the Orioles. We have to get a good sized perceived value advantage in order to do the deal.

Do you think Boston would trade the rights to Rabbit Warstler for Joey Wentz?

The obvious play here is to start McKinstry and his 1.000 whip and only 4.5 BB/9. Better peripherals than Maeda.

I haven’t done the research myself, but I’ve seen it on other baseball websites that Baez’ current OPS is the lowest in modern history by a qualified player. Even if he was among the best defensive SS ever to play the game, that offensive production isn’t worth it. Give me Deivi Cruz all day over that.

Baez fell off the cliff a few years ago. At this point it’s like that scene from The Simpsons where they pull Homer out of the bottom of the gorge and load him into the ambulance and then immediately crash the ambulance into a tree and he rolls out of the back and falls down the gorge again…

100%. I’d argue that surprise team is more the Royals this year than us.

I agree 100% If Harris & Co. trade Skubal to the O’s or Dodgers and doesn’t strip their farm system of three of their top 5 guys minimally, I’d want them fired. This is not a scenario where you move Skubal for a package that is comfortable for the other team. It needs to hurt.

I just think we are too far back at this point to gear decisions around our future around the unlikelihood of us making a magical run this year. Id put Skubal/Flaherty/Olson up against most any other team, but we’ve also had those guys all year and we’ve consistently not converted their all-star level performances into even a .500 team heading into August. There’s a lot of issues with this bullpen, offense and defense that are going to be amplified if we stand pat and make the playoffs., and it’ll be harder to make a big trade in our favor during the offseason when key teams aren’t desperate. For every time an average team with a few good SPs makes an unlikely run to the WS, there’s a team with a Verlander/Scherzer/Sanchez/Fister/Porcello rotation that stalls out and doesn’t get it done. Your point is valid though. The last few weeks have been fun, but I’d prefer we try to set ourselves up to make multiple runs at the division and WS in the coming years.

Kjersted is great and all, but are we in the market for an LH outfielder? Not sure why that would be the headliner in a Skubal deal where we can aggressively go after exactly what we need or stand pat with the best pitcher in baseball until next deadline. That would all but leave one of Meadows/Carpenter/Perez expendable especially by the time Clark is knocking on the door. The trade would get us a great young player in Kjersted, but we’d end up shipping at least one of our current young core out later anyway…so it minimizes the overall return. We need Carps power upside, and Perez is a definite plus being a switch hitter and playing all 3 OF positions and being competent all around on offense. I guess you’d move on from Meadows but dealing him likely doesn’t get us much of a return unless he comes back blazing hot. Give me either Holliday/Mayo/Povich, Basalo/Mayo/Povich or go screw. Either of those acquisitions immediately fills in the roster now and for the future without us needing to make corresponding decisions on young players. Acquiring Skubal for your World Series runs the next 3 seasons should absolutely hurt the other teams minor league system, not be convenient for them.

Agreed. Despite that it would be clearly throwing in the towel this year (especially with what our Frankenstein rotation would be), I’ll take significantly adding upside to our young contending core over trying to weasel into the wildcard this year with a team not capable of making a serious run beyond that. it’ll be disappointing for two months this season but super exciting beyond that. Especially if we can address pitching in the offseason.