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Does going on the full season list free up a temporary 40 man roster spot to use like going on the 60 day DL?

There’s no way he hasn’t transitioned to Zyn pouches

You’d think Lange would end up there at some point too

If Trout could stay healthy he could get there in 5 years or so

Fair enough. That’s my assessment as well. My take on Vierling is that until he establishes better on base skills and starts using his high end speed more, he’s a platoon player at best and shouldn’t be looked at as part of the future core.

Wasn’t his first start also Fausto Carmonas first start?

What prospects do we have that we would be willing to package for an established hitter? I definitely agree that we should look at it as a possibility, just wondering how you think Harris could approach doing that. It just feels like the org would have definite future plans for almost all of the higher level prospects that we have. The one “logjam” could be Keith/Jung/Tork/Lee on the right side of the infield. Even with our glut of LH outfielders, they all profile differently between speed/power/defense/plate discipline. We have a good 8-10 high value guys but I see a potential clear path to the major leagues for most of them assuming development continues as it has been.

Are you comfortable with Vierling or Jung as the 3B of the near future? It seems that outside of Rainer, all of our legitimate internal infield prospects, as well as Keith, seem to project more to the right side of the infield. I’ve heard varying reviews of Jung at 3B.

Yup. I remember reading that he had Miguel Cabrera comps.

Yankees org.

Not sure I would even take him for Flaherty

Clark and McGonigle catching and probably soon passing Campos in level is a big disappointment. I was hoping he’d turn out to be a stud back when we signed him.

Yes, but that was after your suggestion saying we bring up multiple minor league pitchers to fill in the Olson/Mize/Maeda gap instead of looking to acquire an SP. What minor leaguers are going to be added to the 40 man roster for that to happen? And what actual talent is getting dumped for that to happen?

It would be if we brought him up in July. Particularly considering he’s had injuries each of the last two years and hasn’t pitched that many innings in a season yet. Adding him the the 40 man and calling him for a couple outings in September is different than calling him up now and leaning on him to cover for Mize/Olson for an unknown amount of starts and innings. For reference, he has thrown 32 2/3 innings above A ball at this point.

I just hope he goes aggro on Jason Grilli in his speech for nostalgia.

I was being a bit tongue-in-cheek with saying we need SP just because of our current injury status. That being said, our only pitchers on the 40 man that aren’t in Detroit already or hurt are Englert, White and Wilmer Flores. We’d have to move Lange to the 60-day DL or DFA someone to clear up a spot for any of our other pitchers. Not to mention if we do make a Flaherty trade and he brings back more than one good prospect we’d need a 40 man spot for that as well. As much as I’d like to see Jobe, there’s zero reason to force him up the ladder. i feel like Madris and Lucas are gonna be DFAd around the deadline either way.

This makes Manning and Maedas disastrous years even more frustrating. With Mize out and now who knows how long Olson will be out, it adds an annoying wrinkle to a Flaherty trade. If we deal him (or Skubal), we almost have to acquire a ML capable starter as well just for the sake of having ANYONE remotely competent to eat those innings.

Yeah I was getting at that being the reason why we didn’t call up Baddoo or add Jung to the 40 man. No reason to burn an option on them for a temporary roster move. edit- yes exactly what you said above

I imagine they’re two guys they don’t mind DFAing off the 40 man if we make a trade in the near future also.

We just put Olson on the DL and called up Easton Lucas and also demoted Vilade for Bligh Madris. Id put us in the “needs SP” list at this point

My point was that I wouldn’t want the picks—I’d rather generate the deal around what know we would get. Those draft picks are likely going to be towards the end of the first round and the further you go down, the less likely you are to get someone who will make it to the majors. Even if we take the two minor leaguers with control issues, at least we have data points on them and they’ve made it seemingly to some point in the top few levels of the majors. plus we are assuming that the players we draft even end up signing with us if we go that route.

Personally I’d rather not trade Flaherty unless we know what we are getting and it’s something we would value in return. The team acquiring Flaherty is the one desperate to improve their team immediately and they also know exactly what they’re getting with him. We should have adequate leverage in the situation as the sellers—not just looking to give him away for whatever the other team feels like giving us.

The draft is such a crapshoot for the most part that I wouldn’t really want to give much established talent up for a draft pick. Maybe if we are talking a top 5 pick in a loaded class or something. Very hard to quantify value of a draft pick in baseball compared to football or basketball. So much can go wrong with development and injuries.

Keith was our top prospect who mashed his way through the minors, Maton was a 26 year old who didn’t OPS above .800 in the minors. One will get more of a chance than the other.

Agreed. Avila was the one who hung onto his marginal players way too long. Jacoby Jones, Mikie Mahtook, the Castros, Victor Reyes, Greyson Greiner, etc. Thousands of at bats to well below league average players who rarely showed signs that they could be consistent at this level. Harris hasn’t really done that yet. He’s already jettisoned Maton and Sands, and hasn’t shied away from things like Torkelson, Meadows, Baddoo and Manning going to Toledo for extended time frames.