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It’s not a rebuild if it goes on for seven seasons and there are no playoff appearances and the team is no better than it was when it started. It was a dismantling. The actual rebuild started September 19.

Becuase they've been lied to that government is the problem.

Voter fraud. Arrest them en masse and ship them off to concentr ... err, detention centers to protect democracy.

Someone's gonna die, and soon. Then the floodgates might open.

As it turns out, it never was a rebuild.

If the Lions are capable of beating any team on their schedule except the Bills and they're 1-7, then Dan Campbell's not the guy. "But they're injured". It's the NFL. Everyone's injured.

Betcha a sawbuck on that one?

The housecleaning continues apace.

I ran down Chris Ilitch as hard as anyone else here. I accused him of being a dilettante at best and as uncaring at worse. I feared he was going subsume the Tigers under all his other businesses because of the cash cow nature of owning a baseball team. I basically accused him of being a hockey guy only. I believed all this based on the relentless losing under the apparently protected Avila regime, exacerbated by the hiring of Ron Gardenhire even after touting this computer program called Caesar that he claimed would basically bring the Tigers into this century. Like you, the moves Ilitch made to first hire A.J., and then to dump Avila and hire an exec from a forward-thinking organization, has turned my thinking some. I now have confidence that he does care about this team after all and is willing to put the team in a position to win, versus just letting whatever happen and cashing the checks. I’m not going to project onto Ilitch what I would like him to in terms of signing this or that free agent this winter, or spending X hundred million on payroll. I don’t know what Ilitch is going to do when we get certain pieces into place and we are just a move or two away from being favorites to play into November, in a few years I presume. But I do feel better about the idea that he’s not going to just go cheap as possible on the team and just accept whatever result happens and simply bank the loot. I guess that’s still somewhere in the range of outcomes, but I feel better that it occupies a small sliver and not a healthy chunk of that pie. I want the organization to do what it takes to win, whatever that may be, and I don’t care how much Ilitch ultimately spends on payroll, just so long as it doesn’t make the difference between winning pennants and losing out on wild cards.

Fair and proven out by fairly recent experience.

The amount the Tigers offered was well below Correa's publicly-stated floor. He was never going to accept it, and I believe the Tigers knew he wouldn't accept it.

Because people here want to argue this point now. That's what we do in this discussion forum.

I didn't "suggest" he may want to be like the Rays, as in that's what I believe. I said it's a distinct possibility, as in that's within the range of outcomes. Can you see the difference?

Me, where I'm hoping it makes a difference is in the state houses, despite the gerrymandering.

Seriously, red hat skepticism about early voting and mail voting might be one of the underrated ways in which Democrats have a real chance to both hold onto and gain majorities where they need to.

When my wife and I took our civil rights trail/blues trail driving trip through the south a few years ago, I tried to find the Viola Liuzzo memorial marker along Alabama highway 8. Unsurprisingly, it's poorly marked and very difficult to find.

You will call me crazy, but I took a small chunk of savings and dipped it into a five-year CD paying 4.01%, which is that number I long felt would be the tipping point I'd need to go into them again. Also, the way I figure it, with with deflationary forces looming on the horizon, it's not a super risky move, and if by some chance CD rates shoot up to 6% or 8% or 10% or something like that, I can put another chunk of savings into that. I mean, where else am I gonna keep it? The bank paying 2-and-change?

Glad I got my nine-sixes when I did.

I with you on this. I wouldn't say it's impossible that he would ever spend big like leading teams do, but I also don't understand the position stipulating that since there's no evidence that he won't or wouldn't spend, that must mean he will spend, or probably will spend. Until he shows and proves, I'm not assuming that at all.

I would bet the payroll will be right around what it was last year, maybe a touch more to cover Jeimer's seven Ms. I don't see them doing much more than one-year placeholder deals, perhaps even a two-year for a starter like Andrew Heaney, someone who can control the strike zone even though we'd be taking a chance on his health.

I think you will get your wish in that Miggy will either be talked into stepping away with the money, which I think is a real long shot, or be spending the majority of the year on one of the ILs, I'm thinking probably the 60. I suppose another option is that he clocks in with another 400 or 450 plate appearances, but I think that's also a long shot.

I suppose it's a distinct possibility that Baby Doc is looking for a Tampa Bay situation: get to the playoffs, even World Series, on a regular basis without having to spend to acquire or keep players, for the personal purpose of establishing respectability as a baseball tycoon, which you can't achieve if you're averaging literally 98 losses a year. My time is starting to run out, and I have only so many reboots left to live through. Since there are no signs Baby Doc is gonna sell, I'm left to root for the idea that's wrong and he is gonna spend when the time comes.

Here's my prediction from the beginning of the thread, which I still stand by: I believe Drew Hutchison and Ali Sanchez are the only guys in this list already decided upon, and so far, I'm 1-for-2. Otherwise, do you agree with any of this?

This does not worry me in the least.