Archie Posted December 6, 2021 Share Posted December 6, 2021 I read back through this topic and realized this is your political soapbox to yammer on about guns. A couple weeks ago a guy drove through a Christmas parade severly injuring dozens and killing six people. There's not a peep from you about this guy, the tool he used for killing, or the fact he was out on rediculously low bail from a liberal prosecutor. Based on how a you blame a gun I assume you blame the SUV for this heinous crime and killing. Do you people own killing machines called automobiles or do you ride bicycles? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tigeraholic1 Posted December 6, 2021 Share Posted December 6, 2021 7 minutes ago, Shades of Deivi Cruz said: Oh, I didn't know we were horse trading. So when abortions are banned, then we get gun control? It's EXACTLY a deflection. You don't want to argue gun control, so you inject something else into it. I am 100% for gun control but thanks. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Archie Posted December 6, 2021 Share Posted December 6, 2021 Just now, Tigeraholic1 said: I am 100% for gun control but thanks. Will you be 100% for car control too so Waukasha doesn't happen again? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tigerbomb13 Posted December 6, 2021 Author Share Posted December 6, 2021 Archie still pushing that automobiles = guns faulty logic I see. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oblong Posted December 6, 2021 Share Posted December 6, 2021 12 minutes ago, Archie said: I read back through this topic and realized this is your political soapbox to yammer on about guns. A couple weeks ago a guy drove through a Christmas parade severly injuring dozens and killing six people. There's not a peep from you about this guy, the tool he used for killing, or the fact he was out on rediculously low bail from a liberal prosecutor. Based on how a you blame a gun I assume you blame the SUV for this heinous crime and killing. Do you people own killing machines called automobiles or do you ride bicycles? You are right. We didn’t talk in the gun thread about a guy who didn’t use a gun to kill people. It’s not as controversial because Ron Desantis said it’s ok to drive cars thru parades. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Archie Posted December 6, 2021 Share Posted December 6, 2021 (edited) 10 minutes ago, Tigerbomb13 said: Archie still pushing that automobiles = guns faulty logic I see. You guys don't care about what happened in Oxford any more than you care about what happened in Waukasha. Its all political about banning guns and the liberal agenda. Edited December 6, 2021 by Archie Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pfife Posted December 6, 2021 Share Posted December 6, 2021 it's actually just that your comparison sucks chief but don't sprain your shoulder patting yourself on the back 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tigerbomb13 Posted December 6, 2021 Author Share Posted December 6, 2021 2 minutes ago, Archie said: You guys don't care about what happened in Oxford any more than you care about what happened in Waukasha. Its all political about banning guns and the liberal agenda. Again for the 582662th time. Automobiles are made for transportation. Guns are made to kill. It’s not hard to understand. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shades of Deivi Cruz Posted December 6, 2021 Share Posted December 6, 2021 19 minutes ago, Archie said: I read back through this topic and realized this is your political soapbox to yammer on about guns. A couple weeks ago a guy drove through a Christmas parade severly injuring dozens and killing six people. There's not a peep from you about this guy, the tool he used for killing, or the fact he was out on rediculously low bail from a liberal prosecutor. Based on how a you blame a gun I assume you blame the SUV for this heinous crime and killing. Do you people own killing machines called automobiles or do you ride bicycles? Maybe there’s no mention of the parade incident here because it’s not actually pertinent to the topic of the thread? also it’s been clearly stated by many in this thread that only guns are specifically designed to kill people. Not cars, not knives, not airplanes, etc. Also, since you don’t seem to be aware, car ownership is actually very highly regulated. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gehringer_2 Posted December 6, 2021 Share Posted December 6, 2021 (edited) 35 minutes ago, Shades of Deivi Cruz said: Oh, I didn't know we were horse trading. So when abortions are banned, then we get gun control? If we were horse trading over abortion law, I'd go in a different direction. My opening position would be a national DNA database, so the father of every one of those children carried to term could be identified and required to be financially responsible for it until it was 18. Put that on the books and watch the demand for abortions in the US go to zero. Edited December 6, 2021 by gehringer_2 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tigeraholic1 Posted December 6, 2021 Share Posted December 6, 2021 1 minute ago, Archie said: Will you be 100% for car control too so Waukasha doesn't happen again? No, you are losing credibility every time you compare the two. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tigeraholic1 Posted December 6, 2021 Share Posted December 6, 2021 1 minute ago, gehringer_2 said: If we were horse trading over abortion law, my opening position would be a national DNA database, so the father of every one of those children carried to term could be identified and required to be financially responsible for it until it was 18. Fantastic Idea! I have an uncle who was a dead beat. He would work somewhere long enough for the government to hit his check for child support (1980'-90's). Nowadays it's alot harder to get away with that crap. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tigerbomb13 Posted December 6, 2021 Author Share Posted December 6, 2021 7 minutes ago, Shades of Deivi Cruz said: Maybe there’s no mention of the parade incident here because it’s not actually pertinent to the topic of the thread? also it’s been clearly stated by many in this thread that only guns are specifically designed to kill people. Not cars, not knives, not airplanes, etc. Also, since you don’t seem to be aware, car ownership is actually very highly regulated. Yup. If Archie wants to start a thread about responsible car ownership, he can have at it. Otherwise, his nonsensical comparison is just a red herring. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gehringer_2 Posted December 6, 2021 Share Posted December 6, 2021 7 minutes ago, Tigerbomb13 said: Yup. If Archie wants to start a thread about responsible car ownership, he can have at it. Otherwise, his nonsensical comparison is just a red herring. Just ask: "How many murders are committed with automobiles in the US in a year as compared to handguns" and the issue frames itself easily. The simple way to put it is that >99.9% of vehicle deaths in the US are accidental. Probably 95% of gun deaths are intentional - though I wouldn't be surprised if the 5% accidental guess it too low, it is sadly not all that unusual for people do kill themselves by accident with their own guns. It is not logically conceivable to remove the possibility of accidental death in the real world, though we work toward that aim constantly. Conversely, not only is It is easy to imagine a world with out significant gun violence, I can, amazingly, simply look beyond the border and see any number of them! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Motown Bombers Posted December 6, 2021 Share Posted December 6, 2021 37 minutes ago, Tigerbomb13 said: Yup. If Archie wants to start a thread about responsible car ownership, he can have at it. Otherwise, his nonsensical comparison is just a red herring. We can't have this conversation until he can properly identify the specific car including make, model, year, engine size and transmission and in the exact terminology. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Motown Bombers Posted December 6, 2021 Share Posted December 6, 2021 There was another shooting at a hospital in Lake Orion, which is close to Oxford, and local businesses are/were on lockdown. Looks like one person shot. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dan Gilmore Posted December 6, 2021 Share Posted December 6, 2021 1 hour ago, Tigerbomb13 said: Again for the 582662th time. Automobiles are made for transportation. Guns are made to kill. It’s not hard to understand. He doesn’t want to understand. His brain doesn’t function that way. He wants to keep spewing the same stupid irrelevant nonsense. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
casimir Posted December 7, 2021 Share Posted December 7, 2021 2 hours ago, Tigeraholic1 said: No, you are losing credibility every time you compare the two. How can one lose what they ain't got? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1776 Posted December 7, 2021 Share Posted December 7, 2021 4 hours ago, Tigeraholic1 said: I agree with everything you are saying. I also feel a HUGE problem in the Black community is a lack of a family structure. I would be interested to see the stats of married families or at the very least the amount mother and father homes. I bet the number is extremly low. Compare that to black families in the 60-70's I bet it's night and day. This is the answer I was fishing for earlier today when I asked what was different now as opposed to 75 years ago with the black families in America. It’s the lack of two parent families! Currently, and for some time now, the number of single parent homes for black Americans is around 70%. Of course, the single parent is most always the mother. It is an ongoing tragedy in this country. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shades of Deivi Cruz Posted December 7, 2021 Share Posted December 7, 2021 2 hours ago, gehringer_2 said: it is sadly not all that unusual for people do kill themselves by accident with their own guns. Tragically this is what happened with my childhood friend's brother. He was "showing off" with it and shot himself. It's too bad though that I don't really care about gun safety, and just use it to earn liberal points. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1776 Posted December 7, 2021 Share Posted December 7, 2021 4 hours ago, Motown Bombers said: At least Republicans want to force more single women to have babies. US President Joe Biden has reversed a ban on federal funds going to international aid groups that perform or inform about abortions. The above subtitle is from an article from the BBC on January 28th of this year. I don’t think I need to post the entire article. I know Joe “is a good Catholic,” but what is your take on the above? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chasfh Posted December 7, 2021 Share Posted December 7, 2021 3 hours ago, Tigeraholic1 said: Yes, the fabric of our society is unraveling. I don't mean it as a religious thing either. Two income families goes a long way, dead beat Dad's everywhere..... I had to chuckle at this a little because I'm old enough to remember when wives working outside the home for a second family income was itself considered an unraveling of society's fabric. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chasfh Posted December 7, 2021 Share Posted December 7, 2021 (edited) 3 hours ago, Archie said: I read back through this topic and realized this is your political soapbox to yammer on about guns. A couple weeks ago a guy drove through a Christmas parade severly injuring dozens and killing six people. There's not a peep from you about this guy, the tool he used for killing, or the fact he was out on rediculously low bail from a liberal prosecutor. Based on how a you blame a gun I assume you blame the SUV for this heinous crime and killing. Do you people own killing machines called automobiles or do you ride bicycles? Over forty-five thousand gun deaths occurred in the United States last year. How many murders last year from people being plowed over by SUVs driven through a crowd? Thirty? Thirty-five? Come on. Edited December 7, 2021 by chasfh Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Motown Bombers Posted December 7, 2021 Share Posted December 7, 2021 32 minutes ago, 1776 said: US President Joe Biden has reversed a ban on federal funds going to international aid groups that perform or inform about abortions. The above subtitle is from an article from the BBC on January 28th of this year. I don’t think I need to post the entire article. I know Joe “is a good Catholic,” but what is your take on the above? I approve. The same issues of unwanted pregnancies apply to countries outside of the US as well. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tigeraholic1 Posted December 7, 2021 Share Posted December 7, 2021 23 minutes ago, chasfh said: I had to chuckle at this a little because I'm old enough to remember when wives working outside the home for a second family income was itself considered an unraveling of society's fabric. Different dynamic. Our economy requires dual income for families especially non college educated. Even with the wife working you had both parents in the home. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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