oblong Posted January 3 Posted January 3 Mike Johnson is a weirdo religious nut. The kind who blame women for being molested or raped. Not a good dude. 1 Quote
chasfh Posted January 3 Posted January 3 21 hours ago, oblong said: always pivoting to the brown people is so reflexive and natural that his supporters don't even notice it. I think they subconsciously notice it. Quote
chasfh Posted January 3 Posted January 3 14 hours ago, mtutiger said: Apparently Tom Homan was on the teevee earlier (on Fox) blaming open borders for this Las Vegas incident.... which seems odd given that the perp was a US Citizen (and Trump supporter) living in Colorado. Another confused member of the incoming administration. Maybe he needs a cognitive test too? I don’t think they’re confused. I think they know exactly what they’re doing, at least as it relates to this. Quote
chasfh Posted January 3 Posted January 3 10 hours ago, smr-nj said: It’s like the expectation of “the Rapture”. 😂 ….. (pssst.. somebody’s going to be soooo disappointed) I hope they offer an earthbound rapture option, because I’m afraid of heights. Quote
mtutiger Posted January 3 Posted January 3 3 minutes ago, chasfh said: I don’t think they’re confused. I think they know exactly what they’re doing, at least as it relates to this. I'm aware. Quote
chasfh Posted January 3 Posted January 3 1 minute ago, mtutiger said: I'm aware. Others may not be. Quote
oblong Posted January 3 Posted January 3 Did you know the Rapture was invented by a preacher in the mid 1800's? It's not in the Bible. Quote
Tigerbomb13 Posted January 3 Author Posted January 3 11 hours ago, oblong said: Mike Johnson is a weirdo religious nut. The kind who blame women for being molested or raped. Not a good dude. The news that him and his son monitor each other’s porn intake is the weirdest thing I’ve ever seen. 1 Quote
chasfh Posted January 3 Posted January 3 1 hour ago, oblong said: Did you know the Rapture was invented by a preacher in the mid 1800's? It's not in the Bible. I think I might have learned that once but forgot it. Totally not surprised. Evangelicalism has long been wrapped up in American exceptionalism, such that something invented by an American evangelical preacher would of course given at least the same weight as scripture itself. Quote
gehringer_2 Posted January 3 Posted January 3 1 hour ago, oblong said: Did you know the Rapture was invented by a preacher in the mid 1800's? It's not in the Bible. I wouldn't say invented - re-interpreted perhaps. There are multiple allusions in the NT to those still alive "at the last trumpet" being converted or taken up into immortal from - 1 Thess 4:17 being maybe the closest image to the evangelical trope. 1 Quote
1776 Posted January 3 Posted January 3 1 hour ago, oblong said: Did you know the Rapture was invented by a preacher in the mid 1800's? It's not in the Bible. I believe you are correct in saying that the word “Rapture” does not appear in the (KJV) Bible. The description and conversation around the event itself is indeed in the KJV across a number of scriptures. The event is clearly described in the following verses: 1 Corinthians 15:52 1 Thessalonians 4 13-18 Revelation 1:7 There are numerous other scriptures that discuss the event of the Rapture in the KJV Bible. The word Rapture, nor the description of the event itself, originated in the 1800’s. Quote
gehringer_2 Posted January 3 Posted January 3 (edited) the use of the word 'rapture' come from the translation of the Latin (or maybe even the greek) for the word 'taken=raptus'. In english we see this root in the word "rapt" as in "rapt attention" or 'raptor' for bird of prey. It always bears repeating that none of the Bible was written in English! Not a single English word does or doesn't appear there. Edited January 3 by gehringer_2 Quote
oblong Posted January 3 Posted January 3 so something that was never taught for almost 2 thousand years is invented by a guy who publishes the first study reference bible, based on woman's thoughts after putting herself in a trance, and now you have a "left behind" cottage industry based on fear. Once again some in modern Christianity reduce it's benefits to being in the right place at the right time. In the Thesseolonians piece, Paul was talking about a christian reunion in general, not a precursor to a tribulation. It's the Second Coming... 1 Quote
oblong Posted January 3 Posted January 3 13 minutes ago, gehringer_2 said: the use of the word 'rapture' come from the translation of the Latin (or maybe even the greek) for the word 'taken=raptus'. In english we see this root in the word "rapt" as in "rapt attention" or 'raptor' for bird of prey. It always bears repeating that none of the Bible was written in English! Not a single English word does or doesn't appear there. not questioning the concept of the dead and living Christians being taken away. But the context as it relates to a Tribulation. That's the part that was invented in 1830. The second coming and the rapture as been taught, are not the same thing. 1 Quote
1776 Posted January 3 Posted January 3 1 hour ago, oblong said: not questioning the concept of the dead and living Christians being taken away. But the context as it relates to a Tribulation. That's the part that was invented in 1830. The second coming and the rapture as been taught, are not the same thing. When you speak of 1830, are you referring to Joseph Smith and the origin of Mormonism? Other than that, I’m not familiar with what/who you’re referring to. Quote
CMRivdogs Posted January 3 Posted January 3 8 minutes ago, 1776 said: When you speak of 1830, are you referring to Joseph Smith and the origin of Mormonism? Other than that, I’m not familiar with what/who you’re referring to. Not speaking for Oblong but I think he might be referencing John Nelson Darby. (Plymouth Brothren, Exclusive Brethren) father of dispensationalism and first appeared in the Schofield Reference Bible https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_Nelson_Darby 3 Quote
oblong Posted January 3 Posted January 3 1 hour ago, 1776 said: When you speak of 1830, are you referring to Joseph Smith and the origin of Mormonism? Other than that, I’m not familiar with what/who you’re referring to. Yeah, John Nelson Darby. https://www.knowingjesusministries.co/articles/is-the-rapture-taught-in-the-bible/ This is just one site that talks about it. This is relatively new to me. I saw a post about it on a social media account I follow, centered around people like who grew up in the fundamentalist world but later sort of rejected that. Still Christian based but... not crazy. Then I started doing research on it. 1 Quote
gehringer_2 Posted January 3 Posted January 3 (edited) that is why I did say "re-interpreted." Preachers in every era create their own pastiches from bits and pieces of scripture or whatever other 'inspirations" they have. I'm not sure how big a thing that particular trope is across Christianity as a whole or even evangelicalism as a whole. It's just one stroke on a pretty big canvas. I suppose it's because of their political cohesion in the US, but US evangelicals get far too much credit for speaking for all of Christianity, of which they are only a small part. Edited January 3 by gehringer_2 1 Quote
oblong Posted January 3 Posted January 3 The rapture is huge in the fundamentalist world. At least it was in my circle. I was never on board with all of them... just listened and went through the motions while often silently muttering "bull****" to myself a lot of times. I'll give an example of the pettiness. i was told at various times that interracial marriage was bad. Not by itself bad, but God wanted us to be apart, that's why he built mountains and rivers. We're going against his will. Blacks are fine though. Beards are wrong. You look like a hippie and counter culture. What do I see now when I come across these folks on social media? Beards. Interracial marriage. Yeah it's great. I'm glad they came around. But at what point did they decide that stuff was ok? Don't they have to account for all the crap they foisted on us? What about the other dogma? When there's indoctrination going on what is the filter? I'm still unsure about alcohol. Before it was very wrong. But I see the occassional wine glass out there. Quote
CMRivdogs Posted January 3 Posted January 3 I grew up in fairly mainline Protestant churches (Presbyterian, Church of the Brethren). The only real difference I saw way back then was baptism. Same basic philosophies to 6-16 year old me. I seem to remember learning that the return of Christ and the rapture were two separate events with several years in between. To me it seemed like the 80s and the growth of evangelicalism and politics in the church. I was in Virginia, so the rise and expansion of the Pat Robinson empire as well as Jerry Falwell's fiefdom seemed to take the church to a major political level and turn it away from what I was taught as a youngster in the 50's and 60s. Quote
Tigeraholic1 Posted January 3 Posted January 3 (edited) I thought we tried to keep the religious slander in the religion thread? Edited January 3 by Tigeraholic1 Quote
CMRivdogs Posted January 3 Posted January 3 1 minute ago, Tigeraholic1 said: I thought we tried to keep the religious slander in the religion thread? Where's the slander? Quote
gehringer_2 Posted January 3 Posted January 3 This is the politics forum. AFAIK, the only thread here that's ever had discussion limits is "Investing." Quote
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