gehringer_2 Posted January 3 Posted January 3 25 minutes ago, oblong said: The rapture is huge in the fundamentalist world. At least it was in my circle. I was never on board with all of them... just listened and went through the motions while often silently muttering "bull****" to myself a lot of times. I'll give an example of the pettiness. i was told at various times that interracial marriage was bad. Not by itself bad, but God wanted us to be apart, that's why he built mountains and rivers. We're going against his will. Blacks are fine though. Beards are wrong. You look like a hippie and counter culture. What do I see now when I come across these folks on social media? Beards. Interracial marriage. Yeah it's great. I'm glad they came around. But at what point did they decide that stuff was ok? Don't they have to account for all the crap they foisted on us? What about the other dogma? When there's indoctrination going on what is the filter? I'm still unsure about alcohol. Before it was very wrong. But I see the occassional wine glass out there. Making rules is usually the 1st thing any organized church wants to do and it is also the seeds of the beginning of the end for them as soon as they do so. It's only a matter how long it takes the edifice of rules to come crashing down in the face of whatever reality they inevitably deny. Granted it can take a long time though, and a church may be just flexible enough to reboot itself as needed without ever actually looking like it (e.g the RCC). 1 Quote
CMRivdogs Posted January 3 Posted January 3 Just a note, the roots of the Protestant Church came about because an English King just wanted to divorce one of his wives... 1 1 Quote
oblong Posted January 3 Posted January 3 14 minutes ago, CMRivdogs said: Just a note, the roots of the Protestant Church came about because an English King just wanted to divorce one of his wives... and still base much of their Bible and beliefs on what priests and other Catholic leaders decided upon 1200 years ago.... but many today consider Catholics not real Christians. Quote
mtutiger Posted January 3 Posted January 3 32 minutes ago, gehringer_2 said: This is the politics forum. AFAIK, the only thread here that's ever had discussion limits is "Investing." Find this all very amusing given how the Title IX discussion ended a few days ago.... It's a politics board.... no **** there's going to be politics discussed and that it may take different shapes on different threads. Quote
Tigeraholic1 Posted January 3 Posted January 3 I personally don’t like to talk about religion here. You guys go nuts and enjoy yourself. Quote
gehringer_2 Posted January 3 Posted January 3 (edited) 14 minutes ago, Tigeraholic1 said: I personally don’t like to talk about religion here. You guys go nuts and enjoy yourself. But to pick up on Rob's post that set this sub thread off, I think you would have to admit that guys like Johnson who wear their religion on their sleeve and constantly refer to it as the motivation behind their political actions, make it rather hard to go very far in a discussion of current US politics without running into religion in the subtext. In a more perfect world, people who take political stances for religious reasons could at least try to find non-religious, common good, utilitarian or other secular basis arguments to get those position so it would have some accessibility to the body politic as a whole. When my SOTH admits that he is governing as a member of a small religious sect whose concept of truth and reality may be quite different than mine, and that those imperatives are enough for him, I can't have a good feeling about that. Edited January 3 by gehringer_2 3 1 Quote
Tigeraholic1 Posted January 4 Posted January 4 Probably PTSD https://abcnews.go.com/amp/US/new-orleans-attack-latest-fbi-dhs-warn-copycat/story?id=117290889 Shamsud-Din Jabbar's foreign travel is a part of the ongoing investigation, law enforcement officials told ABC News. Investigators are working to determine what he did during his travel in Egypt, why he went and who he interacted with while there, multiple sources said. Critical to the probe is whether he had been radicalized prior to the travel or if the travel marked the start of his radicalization. "This next most important phase of the investigation is to find out how that radicalization happened and if it happened on that trip," Orleans Parish District Attorney Jason Williams Two U.S. officials told ABC on Friday that, though it's still very early in the investigation, there is evidence at this time that Jabbar had been in contact with a direct ISIS representative. NBC News was the first to report on the rare chemical. A search of Jabbar's home in Houston also turned up bomb-making materials, sources confirmed to ABC News on Thursday. The items found were also referred to as "precursor chemicals" by agents in the field, sources said. Quote
mtutiger Posted January 4 Posted January 4 The fact that the Las Vegas incident isn't a focus anymore for some folks kinda gives the game away regardless Quote
chasfh Posted January 4 Posted January 4 16 hours ago, oblong said: and still base much of their Bible and beliefs on what priests and other Catholic leaders decided upon 1200 years ago.... but many today consider Catholics not real Christians. I remember my checkmate line in the 80s being, “Jesus founded my religion—who founded yours?” That was back when I actually cared about such minor points of difference. 1 Quote
Tigeraholic1 Posted January 4 Posted January 4 4 hours ago, mtutiger said: The fact that the Las Vegas incident isn't a focus anymore for some folks kinda gives the game away regardless Why would it be? He was a reality tv contestant and wrote a wild manifesto. I have lost a number of brothers to suicide. All of them did it away from their family and in a private setting. Please don’t lump what he did to true PTSD military survivors. Quote
mtutiger Posted January 5 Posted January 5 (edited) https://nevadacurrent.com/wp-content/uploads/2025/01/PO-003a-01-03-25-Livelsbergers-Letters.pdf Quote Try peaceful means first, but be prepared to fight to get the Dems out of the fed government and military by any means necessary. They all must go and a hard reset must occur for our country to avoid collapse. Quote Consider this last sunset of ‘24 and my actions the end of our sickness and a new chapter of health for our people. Rally around the Trump, Musk, Kennedy, and ride this wave to the highest hegemony for all Americans! We are second to no one. Excerpts from the "wild manifesto".... I have another theory on why some folks think this isn't worth talking about (hint: it's inconvenient) Edited January 5 by mtutiger Quote
gehringer_2 Posted January 5 Posted January 5 (edited) 32 minutes ago, mtutiger said: https://nevadacurrent.com/wp-content/uploads/2025/01/PO-003a-01-03-25-Livelsbergers-Letters.pdf Excerpts from the "wild manifesto".... I have another theory on why some folks think this isn't worth talking about (hint: it's inconvenient) yup - Livelsberger sounds very much like CTE. Memory fog, then personality deconstruction and paranoia. The Army doesn't like to hear about it any more than the NFL or NHL. Edited January 5 by gehringer_2 1 Quote
mtutiger Posted January 5 Posted January 5 18 minutes ago, gehringer_2 said: yup - Livelsberger sounds very much like CTE. Memory fog, then personality deconstruction and paranoia. The Army doesn't like to hear about it any more than the NFL or NHL. Correct, and in the context of both New Orleans and Las Vegas, they manifested themselves as the opposite sides of the same coin (one flying an ISIS flag, one spouting wild right wing / pro-Trump rhetoric). Making this a pissing match about ISIS (not to mention blaming illegals when they were both born in the USA) doesn't solve anything Quote
Tigeraholic1 Posted January 5 Posted January 5 1 hour ago, mtutiger said: https://nevadacurrent.com/wp-content/uploads/2025/01/PO-003a-01-03-25-Livelsbergers-Letters.pdf Excerpts from the "wild manifesto".... I have another theory on why some folks think this isn't worth talking about (hint: it's inconvenient) You forgot to mention the part about he talks about Area 51 lol Quote
ewsieg Posted January 14 Posted January 14 https://www.freep.com/story/news/local/michigan/oakland/2025/01/13/crumbley-campaign-smear-prosecution-defense-ethan/77664834007/ Between the secret immunity and this, these convictions are going to be reversed. McDonald should be investigated as well. Quote
oblong Posted January 14 Posted January 14 that doesn't seem like normal course of business.... it's a shame to put us in a position to feel sympathy for them but the law is the law and everybody should get treated fairly by the government when prosecuting a case. I don't know what all the regulations and rules are but that doesn't seen like someting you are supposed to do. Prosecutors are political figures at the county level. Quote
Motown Bombers Posted March 20 Posted March 20 Apparently, there is an active shooter situation at Troy Beaumont. Quote
Tiger337 Posted March 20 Posted March 20 On 1/3/2025 at 3:32 PM, oblong said: and still base much of their Bible and beliefs on what priests and other Catholic leaders decided upon 1200 years ago.... but many today consider Catholics not real Christians. The vibe I got growing up in a Catholic/Greek Orthodox family (a very controversial mix at the time) is that Protestants were not real Christians. My parents never actually said that and they were not dogmatic in their views. It's just the feeling I got from hearing them talk about religion. When I got older, I found out that Protestats thought they had the real religion! Quote
oblong Posted March 20 Posted March 20 1 minute ago, Tiger337 said: The vibe I got growing up in a Catholic/Greek Orthodox family (a very controversial mix at the time) is that Protestants were not real Christians. My parents never actually said that and they were not dogmatic in their views. It's just the feeling I got from hearing them talk about religion. When I got older, I found out that Protestats thought they had the real religion! And was there grief between the Catholic and Greek Orthodox? I believe about 20 year ago they removed their "excommunications" from each other. It was one of hte Orthodox sects. Quote
Tiger337 Posted March 20 Posted March 20 22 minutes ago, oblong said: And was there grief between the Catholic and Greek Orthodox? I believe about 20 year ago they removed their "excommunications" from each other. It was one of hte Orthodox sects. The Catholic Church refused to recognize the marraige. My mother's Catholic family was so upset about the wedding that most of them refused to attend. It was as controversial as an interracial marraige at the time. So, the wedding took place at the Greek church. Hearing that story as a young adult was one of the things that really turned me off on organized religon. Quote
gehringer_2 Posted March 20 Posted March 20 (edited) 6 hours ago, Tiger337 said: The Catholic Church refused to recognize the marraige. My mother's Catholic family was so upset about the wedding that most of them refused to attend. It was as controversial as an interracial marraige at the time. So, the wedding took place at the Greek church. Hearing that story as a young adult was one of the things that really turned me off on organized religon. LOL - My parents ended up eloping because of friction between the two local sects of the Armenian Orthodox Church. When it comes to religion, every sect with two or more members is ripe for schism. Most recently in the US you have friction within the RCC from people who want to go back to the Latin mass, divisions inside the Baptist church over politics, the Methodist Church in the US just split itself up over LGBTQ rights and for a long time the Lutherans have had various synods in the US that don't agree on things. Judaism is thoroughly subdivided. Sunni and Shia cheer each other's deaths thoughout the ME. Within about ten minutes of any religious group deciding to form a new community, someone decides they have to start making rules for everyone else - and the same wheel turns 'round again. Edited March 20 by gehringer_2 Quote
chasfh Posted March 21 Posted March 21 17 hours ago, gehringer_2 said: LOL - My parents ended up eloping because of friction between the two local sects of the Armenian Orthodox Church. When it comes to religion, every sect with two or more members is ripe for schism. Most recently in the US you have friction within the RCC from people who want to go back to the Latin mass, divisions inside the Baptist church over politics, the Methodist Church in the US just split itself up over LGBTQ rights and for a long time the Lutherans have had various synods in the US that don't agree on things. Judaism is thoroughly subdivided. Sunni and Shia cheer each other's deaths thoughout the ME. Within about ten minutes of any religious group deciding to form a new community, someone decides they have to start making rules for everyone else - and the same wheel turns 'round again. The whole Latin Mass kerfuffle is especially inexplicable, since basically every Catholic under 70 has never known anything but local language Mass, and I'm pretty sure those geriatrics aren't not banding together and leading the charge against everyone else. Quote
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