Gun Legislation, Crime, and Events

[chasfh]

18 hours ago, Tigeraholic1 said:

Not the answer but every school should have a metal detector and a resource officer/ cop. 

If it's "not the answer" then why do this?

[chasfh]

16 hours ago, Hongbit said:

The GOP has chosen the stance that the right to bear arms outweighs the right for people not to get shot.    

Not getting shot isn't a right. It's a privilege.

[gehringer_2]

3 minutes ago, oblong said:

The real problem is people get guns and shoot other people.

In places where people can't get guns they don't shoot other people.

 

yes - a little Occam's razor cuts through the BS.

Edited December 1, 2021 by gehringer_2

[casimir]

Why don't we just get a bunch of doughy white male 17 year old vigilante wannabes, have their absent minded mamas drive them across state lines, and let them run the streets to "police" things?

[gehringer_2]

30 minutes ago, mtutiger said:

In terms of arming school teachers, it would also likely push (even more) teachers away from the profession.

 

absolutely true.

[Motown Bombers]

If gun free zones are the reason people are getting killed by guns, why does Texas have roughly 1,000 more murders than the entire country of Canada? 

[casimir]

37 minutes ago, mtutiger said:

In terms of arming school teachers, it would also likely push (even more) teachers away from the profession.

Setting aside the illogical nature of it, I can't wrap my head around how the idea of solving the problem by making more people carry weapons is acceptable. Some of us maybe would like to live in a world where carrying a gun everywhere isn't a requirement.

So, we have a subsegment of society that wants to mandate gun toting for teachers to "promote safety", and at the same time, refuses a vaccine that is designed for health & well being (safety).  The logic is ..... well, there is none.

Edited December 1, 2021 by casimir

[chasfh]

12 hours ago, Motown Bombers said:

I grew up in Detroit and all the schools near me had metal detectors and police on site and school shootings never happened. Sure going to and from school it happened but not in the building or premises like it is happening now.

All of my nieces and nephews went to schools without metal detectors or on-site police, and none of them experienced a school shooting.

[chasfh]

1 hour ago, Mr.TaterSalad said:

Vox: Australia Confiscated 650,000 guns in 1996. Murders, Mass Shootings, and Suicides Plummeted

If you want to do something that solves the problem, do what Australia did, and just mandate a buyback of guns from people. It's too bad our culture cares more about guns than people and our politicians have stones the size of dimes, so it will never get done.

 

Imagine how much more gun deaths in Australia would drop if they would arm teachers and have metal detectors in schools.

[Archie]

So what you're saying is that people are not the problem and they are only shooting up places because guns are available?  I'm not buying that because it takes an extremely warped mind to open fire on people going about their day.

Our society has coddled too many people for too long.  Some laws allowed this to happen as well as peer pressure and political correctness. Now we have the so called woke mob making it worse.  There's no easy answer to fix this but I don't believe the root cause is a gun problem.

Edited December 1, 2021 by Archie

[chasfh]

3 hours ago, Archie said:

If you look at history of mass shootings, even outside of the US, most of them take place in gun free zones. Its not just schools but workplaces, concert venues, nightclubs, etc. I refer to them as cowards because they are.  There were police there in 5 minutes but if there was a possibilty someone would return fire immediately it would stop some of these people.  Its would be better to have armed security personnel than arming teachers.

Like at Parkland?

[Tigeraholic1]

13 minutes ago, chasfh said:

If it's "not the answer" then why do this?

I guess its a better approach than thoughts and prayers? If I am not mistaken 90-95% of school shootings happen inside the building. Make it harder to bring a weapon in?

[casimir]

4 minutes ago, Archie said:

So what you're saying is that people are not the problem and they are only shooting up places because guns are available?  I'm not buying that because it takes an extremely warped mind to open fire on people going about their day.

Our society has coddled too many people for too long.  Some laws allowed this to happen as well as peer pressure and political correctness. Now we have the so called woke mob making it worse.  There's no easy answer to fix this but I don't believe the root cause is a gun problem.

What makes it worse is that nothing ever gets done to remedy the issue.

But, hey. thoughts & prayers in the meantime.

[Mr.TaterSalad]

7 minutes ago, Archie said:

So what you're saying is that people are not the problem and they are only shooting up places because guns are available?  I'm not buying that because it takes an extremely warped mind to open fire on people going about their day.

Our society has coddled too many people for too long.  Some laws allowed this to happen as well as peer pressure and political correctness. Now we have the so called woke mob making it worse.  There's no easy answer to fix this but I don't believe the root cause is a gun problem.

Political correctness caused a guy to shoot up a concert in Las Vegas? It caused a young man to shoot kids in the face at Sandy Hook? It caused shootings at Columbine, Jonesboro, Aurora, Pulse in Orlando, a Sikh Gurdwara in Wisconsin, a Jewish Synagogue in Pittsburgh, a Baptist Church in Charleston?

Edited December 1, 2021 by Mr.TaterSalad

[mtutiger]

16 minutes ago, Archie said:

Our society has coddled too many people for too long.  Some laws allowed this to happen as well as peer pressure and political correctness. Now we have the so called woke mob making it worse.  There's no easy answer to fix this but I don't believe the root cause is a gun problem.

If there were a mass shooting drinking game where "providing nebulous bullshit response that can't be dealt with through public policy" equated to one drink, how long until somebody passes out?

Maybe an hour? Two?

I just think all the "coddling of the mind" bullshit is just an excuse to not talk about the 1000 pound gorilla in the room. It's as predictable as a Sunday of Lions football at this point.

Edited December 1, 2021 by mtutiger

[chasfh]

10 minutes ago, Tigeraholic1 said:

I guess its a better approach than thoughts and prayers? If I am not mistaken 90-95% of school shootings happen inside the building. Make it harder to bring a weapon in?

Anyone who is highly motivated to get a weapon into school can do so without much problem. Having an armed sheriff's deputy on-site did nothing to stop Parkland.

If metal detectors and armed cops are not the answer, which you agree to, then all it's doing is making the grownups not affected by it feel better about what's happening someplace they never go to. Also, bonus: it prepares children to accept living in a police surveillance state, as befits the American notion of liberty.

[Dan Gilmore]

2 minutes ago, mtutiger said:

If there were a mass shooting drinking game where "providing nebulous bullshit response that can't be dealt with through public policy" equated to one drink, how long until somebody passes out?

Maybe an hour? Two?

I just think all the "coddling of the mind" bullshit is just an excuse to not talk about the 1000 pound gorilla in the room.

Agreed 

[mtutiger]

3 minutes ago, Dan Gilmore said:

Agreed 

I just wish that, instead of trotting out the same old lines time and again, some people would be intellectually honest and just admit that they are comfortable with the status quo. 

Just own it and move on.

[Tigerbomb13]

9 minutes ago, mtutiger said:

If there were a mass shooting drinking game where "providing nebulous bullshit response that can't be dealt with through public policy" equated to one drink, how long until somebody passes out?

Maybe an hour? Two?

I just think all the "coddling of the mind" bullshit is just an excuse to not talk about the 1000 pound gorilla in the room. It's as predictable as a Sunday of Lions football at this point.

Well said. This is nonsense that addresses nothing. We are stuck in an endless cycle where it’s a matter of time where this happens again. And again. And again. A lot of us are tired of this bullshit. 

Edited December 1, 2021 by Tigerbomb13

[Motown Bombers]

Sandy Hook was the definitive moment that I knew the micro penis Republicans weren't going to budge. A dozen or so elementary kids get killed and they would rather come up with conspiracy theories that it was a hoax. 

[gehringer_2]

29 minutes ago, Archie said:

So what you're saying is that people are not the problem and they are only shooting up places because guns are available?  I'm not buying that because it takes an extremely warped mind to open fire on people going about their day.

Our society has coddled too many people for too long.  Some laws allowed this to happen as well as peer pressure and political correctness. Now we have the so called woke mob making it worse.  There's no easy answer to fix this but I don't believe the root cause is a gun problem.

whether society coddles the minds or not is irrelevant. The reality is what it is. You have the plain evidence of several billion people organizing advanced liberal, democratic societies without thousands of gun deaths. The evidence is before you. It is refutable. It is real, not philosophical fantasy. Like the man said, let him with eyes to see, see.

Edited December 1, 2021 by gehringer_2

[oblong]

so wokeness and political correctness led to this?

that's a new one.

What about CRT?  Lack of prayer in school?  School integration? The gays? 

If Memes could type.

[CMRivdogs]

I find the coddling comment ironic coming from the side of the aisle that fears teaching 17 year olds critical thinking in advanced studies classes, and also wants a battalion of armed citizens in the classrooms.

[Motown Bombers]

As of 2019, the states with the highest murder rates are red states with loose gun laws. 

 

[mtutiger]

5 minutes ago, oblong said:

so wokeness and political correctness led to this?

that's a new one.

What about CRT?  Lack of prayer in school?  School integration? The gays? 

If Memes could type.

Literally everything led to this!*

 

 

 

 

 

*Except for the guns