buddha Posted November 20, 2021 Share Posted November 20, 2021 just looking at the box score: 1) that's the warriors D+ team we just lost to at home. 2) why is saban lee on the team and not playing while corey joseph plays 30 minutes? 3) whither saddiq bey? it doesnt seem like he's been very good this season. 4) is stewart hurt? only 16 minutes. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Betrayer Posted November 22, 2021 Share Posted November 22, 2021 Coaches on the hot seat. Listing Casey as 3rd highest on the list. https://www.cbssports.com/nba/news/nba-coaching-hot-seat-with-luke-walton-fired-frank-vogel-dwane-casey-stephen-silas-could-be-next-to-go/ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
buddha Posted November 22, 2021 Share Posted November 22, 2021 1 hour ago, Betrayer said: Coaches on the hot seat. Listing Casey as 3rd highest on the list. https://www.cbssports.com/nba/news/nba-coaching-hot-seat-with-luke-walton-fired-frank-vogel-dwane-casey-stephen-silas-could-be-next-to-go/ i'd be stunned if they fired casey in season. the only reason i can see them doing it is if cade gets upset at him. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Betrayer Posted November 22, 2021 Share Posted November 22, 2021 29 minutes ago, buddha said: i'd be stunned if they fired casey in season. the only reason i can see them doing it is if cade gets upset at him. Agreed. Just nice to see people talking about this nationally and starting to recognize that Casey isn't the long term answer if you're trying to build a contender. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
buddha Posted November 22, 2021 Share Posted November 22, 2021 23 minutes ago, Betrayer said: Agreed. Just nice to see people talking about this nationally and starting to recognize that Casey isn't the long term answer if you're trying to build a contender. casey just strikes me as a good guy who people like and is known to be good at working with kids. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
buddha Posted November 24, 2021 Share Posted November 24, 2021 sam vecinie ranks cade as #4 rookie right now behind mobley, barnes, and franz. compares him to chris paul in how he reads the game and makes unselfish plays. says the shooting will come around. chris paul might be a little much, but its nice to read good things about cade. btw, jalen green ranks 14. says the team is better when he's off the court, he's inefficient, terrible on defense, and selfish. but that he'll eventually be an elite scorer because he's so athletic. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RandyMarsh Posted November 24, 2021 Share Posted November 24, 2021 (edited) 8 hours ago, buddha said: sam vecinie ranks cade as #4 rookie right now behind mobley, barnes, and franz. compares him to chris paul in how he reads the game and makes unselfish plays. says the shooting will come around. chris paul might be a little much, but its nice to read good things about cade. btw, jalen green ranks 14. says the team is better when he's off the court, he's inefficient, terrible on defense, and selfish. but that he'll eventually be an elite scorer because he's so athletic. That's about where I would put him as of now too. It may seem high considering his numbers haven't been spectacular but if you look at the numbers from other rookies they're mostly struggling as well so 4th doesn't seem too high. I only watched Franz that game against the Pistons but I thought he looked great in it and his numbers on the season indicate that he has been most of the year. Like with Cade(shooting aside) he just looked like a guy that had been in the league for a while and belonged there. Not a rookie that looked over matched, timid and out of place. Edited November 24, 2021 by RandyMarsh Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RandyMarsh Posted November 24, 2021 Share Posted November 24, 2021 Yes we all know about his thin frame but this is just crazy, against the number 2 team in the country as well. Kid is a freak. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shinzaki Posted November 26, 2021 Share Posted November 26, 2021 Casey is the basketball version of Ron Gardenhire. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gehringer_2 Posted November 26, 2021 Share Posted November 26, 2021 1 hour ago, Shinzaki said: Casey is the basketball version of Ron Gardenhire. I thought Gardenhire was fine - like Casey, he had been given an impossible task, but maybe unlike Casey if he had had the horses he would not have been a factor holding them back. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
buddha Posted November 29, 2021 Share Posted November 29, 2021 so, when is the last time a team got the #1 pick in the draft and then finished with a worse record the next year? not counting teams where the #1 pick didnt play due to injury. asking for a friend... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Betrayer Posted November 30, 2021 Share Posted November 30, 2021 (edited) Not sure of the answer to that, but I'm not worried about Cade. Rookies don't typically shoot well. Even KD shot 28% from three in his first season. Trae Young shot 32%. There are so many other examples. He's averaging 6.5 Rebounds, 5 assists, and 1.3 steals per game, so he's finding ways to contribute. Not to mention that he'd easily be averaging 8 assists a game if anyone on this team could shoot. When comparing to last year, I also think people underestimate the impact of last season's vets. Mason Plumlee was a big man in the starting lineup who brought size and verticality to the squad. We also had Rose, Wright, and Ellington playing starter minutes for half the season. Those guys aren't All Stars, but they're enough to make the difference between 16 wins (current pace) and 20 wins (last year). Casey's offense isn't doing this team any favors either. Don't get me started on that. That said, there are a couple of concerns I have: Saddiq Bey - I have no idea what the deal is with Saddiq but it might be time for a lineup change. Hami has been really bringing it since given a chance to play and he could fit nicely in that starting lineup at SF. He's very active on defense, gets to the rim, and is the only real lob threat on the team (I have no idea why Casey doesn't run plays with Grant going to the rim off of a screen). It also addresses the lack of athleticism in that starting lineup, which is a major concern. The combo of Cade, Hayes, Bey, and Stewart is way too unathletic to work long term anyway. You won't be missing Bey's three ball...because it's not there anyway. This could also benefit Bey, who seemed to do well when running with the bench crew earlier in the year when Casey was trying to stagger Grant and Bey as the primary scorers before Cade came back. Beef Stew - Even with all the shooting woes on this team, the biggest need is still a Center who can rebound, block shots, and (especially) be a lob threat. I love Beef Stew's motor, but he looks more and more like a bench big man than a starter. He just doesn't offer any sort of offensive outlet to our ball handlers after setting the screen. The defense can key in on the ball handler with plenty of time to recover to Stew due to his lack of explosiveness, verticality, or willingness to shoot. This is really hurting the offense and our young ball handlers in particular. Edited November 30, 2021 by Betrayer Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
buddha Posted November 30, 2021 Share Posted November 30, 2021 2 hours ago, Betrayer said: Not sure of the answer to that, but I'm not worried about Cade. Rookies don't typically shoot well. Even KD shot 28% from three in his first season. Trae Young shot 32%. There are so many other examples. He's averaging 6.5 Rebounds, 5 assists, and 1.3 steals per game, so he's finding ways to contribute. Not to mention that he'd easily be averaging 8 assists a game if anyone on this team could shoot. When comparing to last year, I also think people underestimate the impact of last season's vets. Mason Plumlee was a big man in the starting lineup who brought size and verticality to the squad. We also had Rose, Wright, and Ellington playing starter minutes for half the season. Those guys aren't All Stars, but they're enough to make the difference between 16 wins (current pace) and 20 wins (last year). Casey's offense isn't doing this team any favors either. Don't get me started on that. That said, there are a couple of concerns I have: Saddiq Bey - I have no idea what the deal is with Saddiq but it might be time for a lineup change. Hami has been really bringing it since given a chance to play and he could fit nicely in that starting lineup at SF. He's very active on defense, gets to the rim, and is the only real lob threat on the team (I have no idea why Casey doesn't run plays with Grant going to the rim off of a screen). It also addresses the lack of athleticism in that starting lineup, which is a major concern. The combo of Cade, Hayes, Bey, and Stewart is way too unathletic to work long term anyway. You won't be missing Bey's three ball...because it's not there anyway. This could also benefit Bey, who seemed to do well when running with the bench crew earlier in the year when Casey was trying to stagger Grant and Bey as the primary scorers before Cade came back. Beef Stew - Even with all the shooting woes on this team, the biggest need is still a Center who can rebound, block shots, and (especially) be a lob threat. I love Beef Stew's motor, but he looks more and more like a bench big man than a starter. He just doesn't offer any sort of offensive outlet to our ball handlers after setting the screen. The defense can key in on the ball handler with plenty of time to recover to Stew due to his lack of explosiveness, verticality, or willingness to shoot. This is really hurting the offense and our young ball handlers in particular. the one caveat is that all these guys are young with room to grow. the caveat to the caveat is that none of of them appear to be the high level athletes who you might expect big time growth from in the future. i think cade's shooting will be fine in the long term. it was all world in college and should be again in the pros. ive never been on the bey train. he's a strong player. i like that. but he's an sub athletic 3 and d guy. there's value in that, but he's a role player not a key player on a winning team. same with stewart. love the motor and the strength. love the attitude. but he's a center who cant really defend the rim or run the rim on offense becuase - again - he's not a big time nba athlete and he's small for his position. great role player. not the type of guy who starts on a winning team UNLESS he develops a reliable outside shot. then he could be very valuable. killian's shooting has improved (sample size alert) but he's still not getting to the rim and creating contact. again, he's young and has room to grow. im actually more bullish on his future than bey's. i think killian can get to the rim and has the chance to get stronger and take contact. bey appears to be more of a finished product. the rest of the team is just a bunch of nba stragglers getting minutes. again, theyre really young. i think were in line for another top 5 pick. hopefully #1 again. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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casimir Posted January 9, 2022 Share Posted January 9, 2022 Bol Bol to the Pistons for McGruder and a future 2nd. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RandyMarsh Posted January 9, 2022 Share Posted January 9, 2022 I love me some Bol Bol! Seriously every time I have ever watched him he did something that impressed me so adding him just gives the Pistons one more player for me to be interested in. Sure it's a long shot he turns into anything decent in the NBA but I think there is atleast a chance he can be a piece for the team going forward so that makes him intriguing to me. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gehringer_2 Posted January 9, 2022 Share Posted January 9, 2022 (edited) 31 minutes ago, RandyMarsh said: I love me some Bol Bol! Seriously every time I have ever watched him he did something that impressed me so adding him just gives the Pistons one more player for me to be interested in. Sure it's a long shot he turns into anything decent in the NBA but I think there is atleast a chance he can be a piece for the team going forward so that makes him intriguing to me. Looks like he's hardly played any competitive minutes since high school. Some G league time I guess? Edited January 9, 2022 by gehringer_2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1984Echoes Posted January 9, 2022 Share Posted January 9, 2022 Well... I guess we'll see what Bol Bol can, or cannot do, with some playing time... Although I don't see a whole lot of that here... maybe mostly G-League time? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
casimir Posted January 10, 2022 Share Posted January 10, 2022 Garza to the GL and Bol as the backup C with Lyles as the backup PF? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
buddha Posted January 10, 2022 Share Posted January 10, 2022 shot in the dark couldnt hurt, i guess. gave up nothing to get him on a trial run cause he's restricted at the end of the year. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Betrayer Posted January 10, 2022 Share Posted January 10, 2022 Nice appetizer while we wait for the Grant trade to come in. Gave up nothing and got a big man with some potential on a trial contract. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hart Posted January 12, 2022 Share Posted January 12, 2022 (edited) Does anybody else have any interest in Collin Sexton besides me? Seems like a great chance to buy low on a player because Cleveland has Garland and is looking for more playoff help. Edited January 12, 2022 by Hart Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RandyMarsh Posted January 12, 2022 Share Posted January 12, 2022 The Knicks are reportedly interested in Grant. One of the Knicks writers offered up some hypothetical offers and a couple I would consider. The best was salary filler(kemba perhaps?), a young prospect like Toppin. Robinson etc. and a first with small provisions like maybe top 5 or 7. I like this cause I like the idea of getting a young player that has some upside and the Knicks are a team I could easily see collapsing so the pick could be a late lottery or mid teens so it will have some value. The salary filler would have to be done by the end of next year, I don't want to take on any contracts that go beyond that. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
casimir Posted January 13, 2022 Share Posted January 13, 2022 2 hours ago, RandyMarsh said: The Knicks are reportedly interested in Grant. One of the Knicks writers offered up some hypothetical offers and a couple I would consider. The best was salary filler(kemba perhaps?), a young prospect like Toppin. Robinson etc. and a first with small provisions like maybe top 5 or 7. I like this cause I like the idea of getting a young player that has some upside and the Knicks are a team I could easily see collapsing so the pick could be a late lottery or mid teens so it will have some value. The salary filler would have to be done by the end of next year, I don't want to take on any contracts that go beyond that. I don’t know about Toppin. But your logic on the pick becoming better is reasonable. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tigeraholic1 Posted January 13, 2022 Share Posted January 13, 2022 On 1/9/2022 at 4:47 PM, casimir said: Bol Bol to the Pistons for McGruder and a future 2nd. This trade has been voided, Bol Bol did not pass Physical today......... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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