chasfh Posted December 10, 2023 Share Posted December 10, 2023 3 hours ago, Tiger337 said: The Blue Jays and Mariners have very good teams with young stars and would have gotten even better with Ohtani. They are not loser teams. You've been pushing the idea for years that nobody will sign with the Tigers because they are not a winner, but I don't think it applies here. The money is very nice, but I also believe a key reason Ohtani went with the Dodgers is that they are a winning organization who will give him a great chance to win a ring. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tiger337 Posted December 10, 2023 Share Posted December 10, 2023 5 minutes ago, chasfh said: The money is very nice, but I also believe a key reason Ohtani went with the Dodgers is that they are a winning organization who will give him a great chance to win a ring. As are the Mariners and Blue Jays organizations. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tenacious D Posted December 10, 2023 Share Posted December 10, 2023 25 minutes ago, chasfh said: The money is very nice, but I also believe a key reason Ohtani went with the Dodgers is that they are a winning organization who will give him a great chance to win a ring. The $700M was secondary. I believe he was heading to the Jays, but the Dodgers stepped in and made him a deal that no other team could/would top. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tigermojo Posted December 10, 2023 Share Posted December 10, 2023 I wonder if more players will try to be two way players now. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tenacious D Posted December 10, 2023 Share Posted December 10, 2023 15 minutes ago, Tigermojo said: I wonder if more players will try to be two way players now. Not gonna lie. My indoor pitching lessons start right after Christmas. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tiger337 Posted December 10, 2023 Share Posted December 10, 2023 5 minutes ago, Tenacious D said: Not gonna lie. My indoor pitching lessons start right after Christmas. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Motor City Sonics Posted December 10, 2023 Share Posted December 10, 2023 1 hour ago, Tigermojo said: I wonder if more players will try to be two way players now. Never understood why pitchers never focused on hitting. Why not? What's Blake Snell gonna want now, $45 million a year? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IdahoBert Posted December 10, 2023 Share Posted December 10, 2023 He’s used to LA, it’s a winning organization with a tremendous tradition, they’re paying him $70 million a year, it’s pretty much a no-brainer. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cruzer1 Posted December 10, 2023 Share Posted December 10, 2023 I'll be retired by the time Ohtani is done with that contract. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Edman85 Posted December 10, 2023 Share Posted December 10, 2023 16 hours ago, Motor City Sonics said: The Dodgers just screwed everyone. I would imagine most of the other owners are livid. On the contrary, there was some scuttlebutt that the huge luxury tax payments the Mets et. al. paid this year are essentially being used to help teams whose RSN's are falling short on payments. This can only help keep that fund replenished. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gehringer_2 Posted December 10, 2023 Share Posted December 10, 2023 8 hours ago, Motor City Sonics said: Never understood why pitchers never focused on hitting. Why not? What's Blake Snell gonna want now, $45 million a year? If you have a power arm, that gets identified pretty early in your career, before you ever have show you have any hitting potential. That will get you to the majors without you ever having any hitting ability in the first place - so practicing it more probably won't get a lot of guys very far. Plus maybe different training methods? Developing a musculature that is optimal for hitting and pitching may not work for many guys. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chasfh Posted December 10, 2023 Share Posted December 10, 2023 8 hours ago, IdahoBert said: He’s used to LA, it’s a winning organization with a tremendous tradition, they’re paying him $70 million a year, it’s pretty much a no-brainer. Why do you hate the Mariners and the Blue Jays so much? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chasfh Posted December 10, 2023 Share Posted December 10, 2023 I have April 26 circled on my calendar. It’ll be interesting to see the fan reaction when Ohtani steps to the plate at Rogers Centre. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RandyMarsh Posted December 10, 2023 Share Posted December 10, 2023 (edited) The Mariners and Jays appear to be set up to be contenders in the near future but you never know how long term that is going to be, where as with the Dodgers going on 20+ years of contending every year you can feel much more confident that say 4 or 5 yrs down the road you're not going to be in a situation like the Angels again. Edited December 10, 2023 by RandyMarsh Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cruzer1 Posted December 10, 2023 Share Posted December 10, 2023 Fangraphs has an article that argues that they paid Ohtani what he's worth, as a hitter and pitcher combined. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cruzer1 Posted December 10, 2023 Share Posted December 10, 2023 12 minutes ago, chasfh said: I have April 26 circled on my calendar. It’ll be interesting to see the fan reaction when Ohtani steps to the plate at Rogers Centre. And hits 5 homers in that series. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RandyMarsh Posted December 10, 2023 Share Posted December 10, 2023 I think on most teams you could argue that you'd prob be better served spreading that 70mill a year out on a few diff players but with the Dodgers being so stacked its hard to find the places where say 3 really good players would be big upgrades over what they are already putting out there. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tenacious D Posted December 10, 2023 Share Posted December 10, 2023 1 hour ago, Edman85 said: On the contrary, there was some scuttlebutt that the huge luxury tax payments the Mets et. al. paid this year are essentially being used to help teams whose RSN's are falling short on payments. This can only help keep that fund replenished. Also, I don’t believe that Ohtani has a comp, so while the next big free agent might want a similar contract, they won’t be getting it. Soto is probably next, and likely ends up closer to $500M. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chasfh Posted December 10, 2023 Share Posted December 10, 2023 6 minutes ago, Tenacious D said: Also, I don’t believe that Ohtani has a comp, so while the next big free agent might want a similar contract, they won’t be getting it. Soto is probably next, and likely ends up closer to $500M. I will put a dollar on he gets more than that. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tenacious D Posted December 10, 2023 Share Posted December 10, 2023 (edited) 14 minutes ago, chasfh said: I will put a dollar on he gets more than that. I guess it depends on the number of years, since he’s young. He could get 12+. I think his annual will be closer to $50M. Edited December 10, 2023 by Tenacious D Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tiger337 Posted December 10, 2023 Share Posted December 10, 2023 2 hours ago, chasfh said: Why do you hate the Mariners and the Blue Jays so much? OK, You're right. The 700 million had nothing to do wih it. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
casimir Posted December 10, 2023 Share Posted December 10, 2023 Aight, who's next? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tenacious D Posted December 10, 2023 Share Posted December 10, 2023 Dodgers need starters—they aren’t done yet. Yamamoto? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1776 Posted December 10, 2023 Share Posted December 10, 2023 23 minutes ago, Tenacious D said: Dodgers need starters—they aren’t done yet. Yamamoto? Would not be at all surprised. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chasfh Posted December 10, 2023 Share Posted December 10, 2023 2 hours ago, Tenacious D said: I guess it depends on the number of years, since he’s young. He could get 12+. I think his annual will be closer to $50M. He turned down a 15/440 from the Nats, and he'll be only 26 next winter, so I think 12 years is practically a foregone conclusion. They were already talking about him a year ago being the potentially first 500 million contract, so now with Ohtani in for 700 million, 500+ for Soto is all but certain. I'm gonna take an early bet on 12/630 for him, and it'll be the Yankees, who are publicly disparaging analytics and going back to being the make-it-rain Evil Empire. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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