2023 MLB (non-Tigers) catch all thread

[Tiger337]

I always think of Dawson as an Expo.  

[Tiger337]

 

[RandyMarsh]

1 hour ago, Tiger337 said:

I always think of Dawson as an Expo.  

Yeah probably depends alot on your age, as somebody born in 82 I think of him as a Cub since that's who he was with when I really started watching and following baseball. Plus watching the Cubs alot on WGN as a kid him and those Cubs teams were kinda my first real exposure to baseball aside from the Tigers so they made an impression on me. 

[Jim Cowan]

1 hour ago, 1776 said:

The National Baseball Hall of Fame is planning to evaluate Andre Dawson’s request to change the cap on his Cooperstown plaque from the Montreal Expos to the Chicago Cubs. Dawson has long believed that Wrigley Field and the bright spotlight around the Cubs helped energize and extend his legendary career.

Not as much as the 1987 baseball did.

[Tenacious D]

I think of him as an Expo. That franchise produced so many talented players and eventual Hall of Famers.

[Tiger337]

Expos All-stars (Players who started with Expos or first became good with Expos):

C Gary Carter

1B Andres Galaraga

2B Jose Vidro

SS Orlando Cabrera

3B Tim Wallach

LF Andre Dawson

CF Tim Raines

RF Larry Walker

PH Vladimir Guerrero

SP Pedro Martinez

SP Randy Johnson

SP Steve Rigers

 

[Tenacious D]

I count (7) HOF’ers.  Wonder how many teams can match or exceed that within a similar timeframe.

[casimir]

1 hour ago, Tiger337 said:

Vladimir Guerrero

 

Gosh that guy was so much fun to watch.  Its too bad he didn't have more of a national audience other than his almost daily appearance on ESPN SportsCenter highlights.

[Edman85]

4 hours ago, Tenacious D said:

I count (7) HOF’ers.  Wonder how many teams can match or exceed that within a similar timeframe.

The Expos/Nationals have 10 players in the Hall of Fame

• Gary Carter
• Andre Dawson
• Vlad Guerrero
• Randy Johnson
• Pedro Martinez
• Tony Perez
• Tim Raines
• Ivan Rodriguez
• Lee Smith
• Larry Walker

The Padres, Pilots/Brewers, and Royals were also in that same expansion class.

Royals (4)

• George Brett
• Orlando Cepeda
• Harmon Killebrew
• Gaylord Perry

Padres (13)

• Roberto Alomar
• Rollie Fingers
• Goose Gossage
• Tony Gwynn
• Rickey Henderson
• Trevor Hoffman
• Greg Maddux
• Willie McCovey
• Fred McGriff
• Gaylord Perry
• Mike Piazza
• Ozzie Smith
• Dave Winfield

Brewers (7)

• Henry Aaron
• Rollie Fingers
• Trevor Hoffman
• Paul Molitor
• Ted Simmons
• Don Sutton
• Robin Yount

[casimir]

1 hour ago, Edman85 said:

The Expos/Nationals have 10 players in the Hall of Fame

• Gary Carter
• Andre Dawson
• Vlad Guerrero
• Randy Johnson
• Pedro Martinez
• Tony Perez
• Tim Raines
• Ivan Rodriguez
• Lee Smith
• Larry Walker

The Padres, Pilots/Brewers, and Royals were also in that same expansion class.

Royals (4)

• George Brett
• Orlando Cepeda
• Harmon Killebrew
• Gaylord Perry

Padres (13)

• Roberto Alomar
• Rollie Fingers
• Goose Gossage
• Tony Gwynn
• Rickey Henderson
• Trevor Hoffman
• Greg Maddux
• Willie McCovey
• Fred McGriff
• Gaylord Perry
• Mike Piazza
• Ozzie Smith
• Dave Winfield

Brewers (7)

• Henry Aaron
• Rollie Fingers
• Trevor Hoffman
• Paul Molitor
• Ted Simmons
• Don Sutton
• Robin Yount

It’s funny seeing some of those names with those teams.  I didn’t realize Cepeda bounced around as much as he did.

[RandyMarsh]

1 hour ago, Edman85 said:

The Expos/Nationals have 10 players in the Hall of Fame

• Gary Carter
• Andre Dawson
• Vlad Guerrero
• Randy Johnson
• Pedro Martinez
• Tony Perez
• Tim Raines
• Ivan Rodriguez
• Lee Smith
• Larry Walker

The Padres, Pilots/Brewers, and Royals were also in that same expansion class.

Royals (4)

• George Brett
• Orlando Cepeda
• Harmon Killebrew
• Gaylord Perry

Padres (13)

• Roberto Alomar
• Rollie Fingers
• Goose Gossage
• Tony Gwynn
• Rickey Henderson
• Trevor Hoffman
• Greg Maddux
• Willie McCovey
• Fred McGriff
• Gaylord Perry
• Mike Piazza
• Ozzie Smith
• Dave Winfield

Brewers (7)

• Henry Aaron
• Rollie Fingers
• Trevor Hoffman
• Paul Molitor
• Ted Simmons
• Don Sutton
• Robin Yount

The Padres have more but some of those guys were already made men by the time they joined them, what makes the Expos unique is how many either got their starts there or broke out there.  

[Biff Mayhem]

The scoreboard ate Andre Dawson!

[casimir]

It sounds like Mookie Betts will be moving in from RF to be the Dodgers' 2B.  I don't think OF moving in to the IF is all that common.

[ben9753]

32 minutes ago, casimir said:

It sounds like Mookie Betts will be moving in from RF to be the Dodgers' 2B.  I don't think OF moving in to the IF is all that common.

Following in the footsteps of the legend that is Rian Rayboughrn

[Tenacious D]

33 minutes ago, casimir said:

It sounds like Mookie Betts will be moving in from RF to be the Dodgers' 2B.  I don't think OF moving in to the IF is all that common.

He started there, though, I believe.  Think the BoSox moved him to the OF cause they had Pedroia and Bogarts in the infield.

I could also be horribly wrong, too.

[Tiger337]

1 hour ago, casimir said:

It sounds like Mookie Betts will be moving in from RF to be the Dodgers' 2B.  I don't think OF moving in to the IF is all that common.

He already did.  He played 70 games at 2B and 16 at SS last year.  

[casimir]

2 hours ago, Tiger337 said:

He already did.  He played 70 games at 2B and 16 at SS last year.  

I didn’t realize he was on the dirt that much last season.

[Tigermojo]

Did Dave Roberts torpedo the Dodgers chances of signing Ohtani?

[Tenacious D]

I love Ohtani, but $500+ million for a guy who may never pitch effectively again, seems excessive. Hard to quantify the marketing impact he would have for a team, though.

[RandyMarsh]

14 hours ago, Tenacious D said:

I love Ohtani, but $500+ million for a guy who may never pitch effectively again, seems excessive. Hard to quantify the marketing impact he would have for a team, though.

Agreed, from an on the field standpoint it just seems like way too much money to throw at somebody who if he doesn't pitch will have to resort to playing a corner position. He probably would be really good there, but still that limits his value greatly.

Also aside from this past season he really hasn't been a true offensive force relatively speaking posting a career OPS+ of 140 prior to this year. That's obviously really good but if he indeed ends up just being a corner OF that number wouldn't make him worth close to 40 to 50 million a year. Now if you think he is more likely to be like he was in 2023 where he was at 184 then it starts to become worth it but that's not something I would bank on for a player in their 30s. 

But this is just for on the field worth, like you said who knows how much money he would bring in from a marketing stand point and if you're a major market team that doesn't need to maximize your WAR to $$ output then it might just be worth it for you. 

[Tiger337]

I agree on Ohtani.  He'll probably be a great hitter for a long time, but rumored contracts being thrown around suggest that he'll continue to be a two-way player which seems very questionable.  

[Tiger337]

Is next year the year Reyes finally hits for power?

 

[chasfh]

15 hours ago, Tiger337 said:

Is next year the year Reyes finally hits for power?

 

That one was easy, although TBF, that’s because there’s a well-known active pipeline between Latin America and Asia.

[Tenacious D]

Watching Reyes slapping singles is the equivalent of a 6’ 6” pitcher topping out at 90.

[ben9753]

Soto (not Gregory, the good one) traded to the Yanks.

Edited December 7, 2023 by ben9753