casimir Posted March 15, 2024 Posted March 15, 2024 14 hours ago, chasfh said: I may have been a little loose about "routinely", although of the 24 total pitchers who have won 300+ games, ten of them pitched in our lifetimes. So it's as possible that great pitchers could rack up 300 wins under a new deadened-ball era as it was for pitchers in the 70s, 80s and beyond to. Its not just 300. Its the lack of pitchers that have a shot at "merely" 200 wins. Quote
chasfh Posted March 16, 2024 Posted March 16, 2024 I’ve seen pitchers throw like this, and I wish I could bring any of them to mind, because I’d like to see how their careers went. Quote
CMRivdogs Posted March 16, 2024 Posted March 16, 2024 (edited) 1 hour ago, chasfh said: I’ve seen pitchers throw like this, and I wish I could bring any of them to mind, because I’d like to see how their careers went. Chad Bradford was the first to come to mind thanks to Money Ball. He pitched 12 years in the majors. You can add Kent Tekulve and Dan Quisenberry and Eldon Auker Edited March 16, 2024 by CMRivdogs Quote
1776 Posted March 16, 2024 Posted March 16, 2024 18 minutes ago, CMRivdogs said: You can add Kent Tekulve and Dan Quisenberry and Eldon Auker Have you ever read Elden Auker’s book, Sleeper Cars and Flannel Uniforms? It’s a really good read. Quote
Tiger337 Posted March 16, 2024 Posted March 16, 2024 2 minutes ago, 1776 said: Have you ever read Elden Auker’s book, Sleeper Cars and Flannel Uniforms? It’s a really good read. Thanks for reminding me. I have been meaning to get it for a while. I just ordered it. 1 Quote
gehringer_2 Posted March 16, 2024 Posted March 16, 2024 2 hours ago, chasfh said: I’ve seen pitchers throw like this, and I wish I could bring any of them to mind, because I’d like to see how their careers went. submariners in general do not reach the Velos that overhanders do, and stress correlates to arm speed. Quote
chasfh Posted March 16, 2024 Posted March 16, 2024 4 minutes ago, gehringer_2 said: submariners in general do not reach the Velos that overhanders do, and stress correlates to arm speed. This guy is not a submariner. He’s a straight side-armer, and I’m thinking his motion might be harder/worse on his elbow than a submariner like Chad Bradford, or Tyler Rogers, might experience with theirs: https://www.mlb.com/athletics/video/comparing-rogers-bradford Quote
theroundsquare Posted March 16, 2024 Posted March 16, 2024 1 hour ago, 1776 said: Have you ever read Elden Auker’s book, Sleeper Cars and Flannel Uniforms? It’s a really good read. I'll second that, it is a fun book. No analysis, just tales Quote
Tiger337 Posted March 19, 2024 Posted March 19, 2024 Snell to the Giants. 2 years 62 million. Opt out after year 1. Quote
Tenacious D Posted March 19, 2024 Posted March 19, 2024 37 minutes ago, Tiger337 said: Snell to the Giants. 2 years 62 million. Opt out after year 1. Giants figured out how to get a free agent to sign with them. Wait until they have no other options with a week left before the season starts. Quote
Tiger337 Posted March 19, 2024 Posted March 19, 2024 I think they did OK. They got one of the best pitchers in baseball and they are not stuck with him long term. Quote
SkyBlue Posted March 19, 2024 Posted March 19, 2024 On 3/15/2024 at 6:01 AM, Motor City Sonics said: It's nice to come here and socialize with people who know what's going on. You still post on Mlive? Quote
gehringer_2 Posted March 19, 2024 Posted March 19, 2024 1 hour ago, Tiger337 said: I think they did OK. They got one of the best pitchers in baseball and they are not stuck with him long term. seems like a fair enough deal. Quote
RandyMarsh Posted March 19, 2024 Posted March 19, 2024 Id rather have Snell at 31 million this year than Flaherty at 15. For 16 million more you are potentially getting 4-5 more wins and given where we are at on the win curve that could be the difference between the playoffs and not. Of course the Tigers didn't know Snell was going to go for this low when they signed Flaherty but just throwing it out there in a hypothetical sense. 1 Quote
gehringer_2 Posted March 19, 2024 Posted March 19, 2024 1 minute ago, RandyMarsh said: Id rather have Snell at 31 million this year than Flaherty at 15. For 16 million more you are potentially getting 4-5 more wins and given where we are at on the win curve that could be the difference between the playoffs and not. Of course the Tigers didn't know Snell was going to go for this low when they signed Flaherty but just throwing it out there in a hypothetical sense. Flaherty is also a comeback candidate wager in part, so a little different objective with him. Quote
LongLiveMaroth Posted March 19, 2024 Posted March 19, 2024 29 minutes ago, RandyMarsh said: Id rather have Snell at 31 million this year than Flaherty at 15. For 16 million more you are potentially getting 4-5 more wins and given where we are at on the win curve that could be the difference between the playoffs and not. Of course the Tigers didn't know Snell was going to go for this low when they signed Flaherty but just throwing it out there in a hypothetical sense. I am not sure I would be willing to give up the draft capital for a single year of Snell. 2 Quote
chasfh Posted March 19, 2024 Posted March 19, 2024 If you root for organizations over players, this was a very good year for you. Quote
SoCalTiger Posted March 19, 2024 Posted March 19, 2024 The Giants cam to Boras rescue for both Snell and Chapman. Greedy lost this year.Snell probably could have had a 5 or 6 year 150, not 200, but he wouldn't have to worry about injury not that you can't live on 30 million after taxes. Quote
1776 Posted March 20, 2024 Posted March 20, 2024 13 hours ago, Tiger337 said: I think they did OK. They got one of the best pitchers in baseball and they are not stuck with him long term. Agree. The Giants org has several starters within one year, or less, of being MLB ready. If Snell opts out it will likely play in the Giants favor and open up a spot for a younger pitcher and much less money. He and Chapman will most likely be one years deals in S.F. Quote
casimir Posted March 20, 2024 Posted March 20, 2024 18 hours ago, LongLiveMaroth said: I am not sure I would be willing to give up the draft capital for a single year of Snell. The draft capital and the walk rate. 1 Quote
oblong Posted March 20, 2024 Posted March 20, 2024 This could go in a lot of directions. Is the interpreter a fall guy? would MLB have the balls to do something given the intense sponsorship from gambling companies and that it’s Ohtani? Quote
gehringer_2 Posted March 21, 2024 Posted March 21, 2024 1 hour ago, oblong said: This could go in a lot of directions. Is the interpreter a fall guy? would MLB have the balls to do something given the intense sponsorship from gambling companies and that it’s Ohtani? merde a frappé le ventilateur? Quote
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