kdog Posted April 12, 2023 Share Posted April 12, 2023 They could have spent a little money on the bullpen to make this team more presentable. But they didn't. The offense is about as bad as last year when it comes to slugging...once again they have no power. Thank you Chris. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tigerbomb13 Posted April 12, 2023 Share Posted April 12, 2023 16 minutes ago, Motor City Sonics said: The way I feel about the way things are going, I am expecting to hear that in Manning's last inning he started feeling pain in his arm and he'll be getting TJ before June. That's just how it is with this team. And to answer your question Tigerbomb, I don't know if they do break 50. But they already fired everyone, so who do you blame now? Chris Illitch for not realizing Al Avila was a bust 2 years earlier? It's 1989-2005 all over again and on that time line we are in about 1996, we are in for a very long, painful slog here. Not TJ, but only fitting: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
UCFKNIGHT Posted April 12, 2023 Share Posted April 12, 2023 I believe former GM Al Avila and the previous scouting staff made horrible draft decisions on: Casey Mize, Matt Manning, and Alex Faedo. The 2023 Detroit Tigers will be lucky if they win 40 games. AJ Hinch better count his blessings. He’s luck to have current Tigers GM(Scott Harris) as a friend. Also, I believe no other field manager like Joe Maddon or Joe Girardi would want to manage the Detroit Tigers and this AA roster committing fraud as a MLB team. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kdog Posted April 12, 2023 Share Posted April 12, 2023 Hinch looks like he is going to cry Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hongbit Posted April 12, 2023 Share Posted April 12, 2023 7 minutes ago, Tigerbomb13 said: Not TJ, but only fitting: MCS, Go to the liquor store and buy a lottery ticket. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Motor City Sonics Posted April 12, 2023 Share Posted April 12, 2023 10 minutes ago, Hongbit said: MCS, Go to the liquor store and buy a lottery ticket. That was like predicting the sun coming up. But I will go to the liquor store anyway because I need a fuckin' drink. Eliminated by Mother's Day...........again. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Motor City Sonics Posted April 12, 2023 Share Posted April 12, 2023 20 minutes ago, Tigerbomb13 said: Not TJ, but only fitting: I've broken that bone catching the corner of a wall in bare feet. He likely won't be out too terribly long. If it's a hairline fracture he could be back in a month. But of course, why rush him? Mike Lorenzen............YOU'RE UP ! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Motor City Sonics Posted April 12, 2023 Share Posted April 12, 2023 AJ Hinch is suffering a fate worse than suspension. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Motor City Sonics Posted April 12, 2023 Share Posted April 12, 2023 Well, I would like to thank the Tigers for saving money - because I will not be buying another month of the Bally Sports app. I mean, I could save money and pay a dominatrix to whip me in the back. It would be less painful than watching this for another four months. Maybe I'll buy MiLB and watch the Mud Hens. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jim Cowan Posted April 12, 2023 Share Posted April 12, 2023 1 hour ago, Motor City Sonics said: It was 5-3, I went to the bathroom..............WHAT THE HELL HAPPENED? And it was only urination, it didn't take that long. Kind of cruel leaving him out there to suffer. That's what happens when you take a piss off your front porch, and stop to talk to your neiighbours while you were tapping off. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jim Cowan Posted April 12, 2023 Share Posted April 12, 2023 8 minutes ago, Motor City Sonics said: Well, I would like to thank the Tigers for saving money - because I will not be buying another month of the Bally Sports app. I mean, I could save money and pay a dominatrix to whip me in the back. It would be less painful than watching this for another four months. Maybe I'll buy MiLB and watch the Mud Hens. Mud Hens is definitely the way to go, with the caveat that you've never heard of any of their pitchers. I'm not sure that even their family members have ever heard of them. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RandyMarsh Posted April 12, 2023 Share Posted April 12, 2023 Lol at the Astros for losing a series to us. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
casimir Posted April 12, 2023 Author Share Posted April 12, 2023 8 hours ago, kdog said: They could have spent a little money on the bullpen to make this team more presentable. But they didn't. The offense is about as bad as last year when it comes to slugging...once again they have no power. Thank you Chris. I wonder if they overestimated what Fetter can do with this group. Manning was the first SP to go 6. Sure, it's early on and guys aren't going to be throwing 8 or 9 innings. But the gas can nature of the current arm barn gets overexposed when tasked with innings that SPs can't throw. The offense..... I just don't know. They had Manoah on the ropes and manage only one 3 run home run, although Carpenter was robbed of a solo home run. But leaving a bases loaded and one out opportunity in the top of the 2nd was crushing. And that was it. The Tigers only got another runner as far as 2B with two out in the 3rd. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Motor City Sonics Posted April 12, 2023 Share Posted April 12, 2023 1 hour ago, RandyMarsh said: Lol at the Astros for losing a series to us. They were hungover. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mtutiger Posted April 12, 2023 Share Posted April 12, 2023 (edited) 48 minutes ago, casimir said: I wonder if they overestimated what Fetter can do with this group. Manning was the first SP to go 6. Sure, it's early on and guys aren't going to be throwing 8 or 9 innings. But the gas can nature of the current arm barn gets overexposed when tasked with innings that SPs can't throw. Generally they didn't really surprise me much with the offseason they had, but to the extent they did, it wasn't bringing in a couple of established relievers. Didn't have to be Fulmer or Chafin, but major league contract guys like a Will Smith (who was still out there late in the game) would have made sense, even as an overpay. I do think they get this stabilized some from what it is at the moment, the bus will come and go from Toledo. But that looks like a mistake at the moment, although it's not clear if that's on Harris or ownership or both. 48 minutes ago, casimir said: The offense..... I just don't know. They had Manoah on the ropes and manage only one 3 run home run, although Carpenter was robbed of a solo home run. But leaving a bases loaded and one out opportunity in the top of the 2nd was crushing. And that was it. The Tigers only got another runner as far as 2B with two out in the 3rd. Tork got a two bagger in the 8th iirc. Their offense is weird... they seem to be generally more effective in some respects compared to 2022, they do work counts a bit better and a couple of key players are performing (Tork and Greene). OTOH, when it comes to leverage situations, they generally have fallen flat this season. When they batted around in the 2nd, they couldn't get the big hit to cash in the runs they needed to in that situation. Edited April 12, 2023 by mtutiger Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
casimir Posted April 12, 2023 Author Share Posted April 12, 2023 25 minutes ago, mtutiger said: Generally they didn't really surprise me much with the offseason they had, but to the extent they did, it wasn't bringing in a couple of established relievers. Didn't have to be Fulmer or Chafin, but major league contract guys like a Will Smith (who was still out there late in the game) would have made sense, even as an overpay. I do think they get this stabilized some from what it is at the moment, the bus will come and go from Toledo. But that looks like a mistake at the moment, although it's not clear if that's on Harris or ownership or both. Tork got a two bagger in the 8th iirc. Their offense is weird... they seem to be generally more effective in some respects compared to 2022, they do work counts a bit better and a couple of key players are performing (Tork and Greene). OTOH, when it comes to leverage situations, they generally have fallen flat this season. When they batted around in the 2nd, they couldn't get the big hit to cash in the runs they needed to in that situation. You bring up Fulmer and he signed late for $4M. I'd much rather have that than Cisnero at anything. For the 1,000th time, the Cisnero retention just makes no sense to me. He's not effective. I forgot about the Torkelson double. He maybe should have also had another double earlier in the game along the 3B line , but Chapman was able to knock it down for a single. It was a sharp one hopper. He continues to hit the ball hard. He had that 10 pitch AB later in the game. I think he'll be fine this season. Keep stinging the ball off of the bat. If the power numbers aren't there quite yet, OK, fine. Get the contact down and work on the elevation. Someone (maybe you?) mentioned Greene's SO numbers. That worries me a bit. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mtutiger Posted April 12, 2023 Share Posted April 12, 2023 24 minutes ago, casimir said: You bring up Fulmer and he signed late for $4M. I'd much rather have that than Cisnero at anything. For the 1,000th time, the Cisnero retention just makes no sense to me. He's not effective. I only say "didn't have to be Fulmer or Chafin" because there's a tendency to want to bring back retreads when other options were available as well.... it didn't have to be those guys, just anyone worthy of a major league contract would have been better. 27 minutes ago, casimir said: I forgot about the Torkelson double. He maybe should have also had another double earlier in the game along the 3B line , but Chapman was able to knock it down for a single. It was a sharp one hopper. He continues to hit the ball hard. He had that 10 pitch AB later in the game. I think he'll be fine this season. Keep stinging the ball off of the bat. If the power numbers aren't there quite yet, OK, fine. Get the contact down and work on the elevation. It's crazy considering how poorly he played last year and how angry the fanbase got toward him, but Tork is probably one of the only bright spots we've seen so far. He's on track to have a pretty good year so far. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
casimir Posted April 12, 2023 Author Share Posted April 12, 2023 11 minutes ago, mtutiger said: It's crazy considering how poorly he played last year and how angry the fanbase got toward him, but Tork is probably one of the only bright spots we've seen so far. He's on track to have a pretty good year so far. Last season was probably the first where he struggled. That can be tough to process through the first time around. I would imagine between that, and lofty expectations, and his rookie status, a pair of hitting coaches that have since moved on, and a probably miserable clubhouse, yeah, that might have all contributed to a poor showing. And as has been mentioned, some of his numbers show a bit of bad luck in there, too. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kdog Posted April 12, 2023 Share Posted April 12, 2023 I have to wonder if all this losing affects player development. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Motor City Sonics Posted April 12, 2023 Share Posted April 12, 2023 10 minutes ago, kdog said: I have to wonder if all this losing affects player development. Ask the Pistons. 7 years of tanking has only taught them how to lose. Plus they have a very slim chance of getting the #1 pick even with the worst record. They got the #1 pick 2 years ago and he's play in about 35% of the games he could have played. Pistons might as well move to Seattle. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mtutiger Posted April 12, 2023 Share Posted April 12, 2023 (edited) I guess my question is what exactly is the alternative? We all knew and acknowledged that Al Avila left this franchise in the ditch when he was fired last year, so it shouldn't exactly be a revelation that they would struggle this year. And certainly we have seen enough to learn that, maybe outside of bullpen, free agents probably weren't going to make a huge impact either. I don't believe the players like losing, obviously, and perhaps it has an impact on player development, but they also have made a bunch of new hires to player development and their coaching staff as well and it will take time for the impact of that to fully manifest itself. And I don't know that a team that could potentially lose 100 losses is a terrible place for guys to get opportunities to play given that the environment is probably lower stakes than if they were in a more competitive spot... although for someone like Jarvy, it's likely more of an issue. That doesn't mean we should be happy that this is where they find themselves, obviously, but it's going to take time with this team.... even Saint Theo, Scott Harris' former boss and who everyone wanted after Avila's firing, would have had issues fixing this in one season. Edited April 12, 2023 by mtutiger Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oblong Posted April 12, 2023 Share Posted April 12, 2023 I'm not sure average fans are in a place to understand what makes professional athletes tick. To reach that level requires so much skill and determination and dedication. They know the situation. What they tell the media is one thing but deep down they are not fooled. They have a job. They've been doing this their whole lives and understand it's day to day. They know if they excel, even individually, it means financial freedom their entire lives. I'm grateful that the cornerstones are still a few years from Free Agency. A shitty few weeks in April is forgotten by a great few weeks in July or August. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RatkoVarda Posted April 12, 2023 Share Posted April 12, 2023 Things that could be easily predicted: Miggy would continue his 6 year run of incompetence Schoop would be one of the worst MLB hitters Young players (either over rated or mis coached) would struggle Meadows would still be suffering Pitchers would continue to get injured at a fast clip Bullpen would regress Those of us that begged for them to pay - or overpay - for some competent major league players, so the on-field product would not be so embarrassing, were basically ridiculed. This is on Scott “Calculated Risk” Harris. There was no need to piss away more seasons under the guise (really “the lie”) of “analysis” or “assessment”. A blind man could see this team was garbage and needed to be improved. Instead, he just sat on his hands because he knows Avila will be blamed. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mtutiger Posted April 12, 2023 Share Posted April 12, 2023 4 minutes ago, oblong said: I'm not sure average fans are in a place to understand what makes professional athletes tick. To reach that level requires so much skill and determination and dedication. They know the situation. What they tell the media is one thing but deep down they are not fooled. They have a job. They've been doing this their whole lives and understand it's day to day. They know if they excel, even individually, it means financial freedom their entire lives. I'm grateful that the cornerstones are still a few years from Free Agency. A shitty few weeks in April is forgotten by a great few weeks in July or August. Wait, are you suggesting that they aren't, in fact, going to lose 130 games this year? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Motor City Sonics Posted April 12, 2023 Share Posted April 12, 2023 2 minutes ago, mtutiger said: I guess my question is what exactly is the alternative? We all knew and acknowledged that Al Avila left this franchise in the ditch when he was fired last year, so it shouldn't exactly be a revelation that they would struggle this year. And certainly we have seen enough to learn that, maybe outside of bullpen, free agents probably weren't going to make a huge impact either. I don't believe the players like losing, obviously, and perhaps it has an impact on player development, but they also have made a bunch of new hires to player development and their coaching staff as well and it will take time for the impact of that to fully manifest itself. And I don't know that a team that could potentially lose 100 losses is a terrible place for guys to get opportunities to play given that the environment is probably lower stakes than if they were in a more competitive spot That doesn't mean we should be happy that this is where they find themselves, obviously, but it's going to take time with this team.... even Saint Theo, Scott Harris' former boss and who everyone wanted after Avila's firing, would have had issues fixing this in one season. Yes, I agree with all of that. Scott Harris made MASSIVE changes in the team structure, changes that were long overdue. And even if Harris does everything 100% right with drafting and developing, this team has no real shot at being decent until about 2026. But still. We've been beaten down for a long time here. Not just with the Tigers, but with all our teams. It's been a horrific sports decade and only Michigan & Michigan State have occasionally given us something to get excited about. In the moment it's just brutal. We all understand where the franchise is at, but damn this is hard to go through AGAIN. We keep hearing the Red Wings are turning a corner and then they fall off a cliff. The Pistons are an absolute disgrace and I don't think they'll ever contend again because we are now in an era where players determine where to go and nbot teams (and none of those guys want to play in a city like Detroit) and the Tigers didn't get all the way to a World Series win 2006-2013 but at least it was exciting. It's so bad that the Lions are the hope now. The freaking Lions.........are you kdding me? (And I feel like it's a wait-and-see for which truly bizarre curse-enabled thing happens to them that lets us all down). We're all just tired of it all and being told to wait again is really hard to take. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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