Tiger337 Posted December 28, 2021 Share Posted December 28, 2021 2 minutes ago, chasfh said: Those commandments are the end of the tablet are pretty stupid, too. A commandment against coveting your neighbor's goods? Isn't coveting what our entire market economy is based on? 😏 Maybe, we are damned if we do and damned if we don't This discussion reminds me of George Carlin's bit on the 10 commandments. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tiger337 Posted December 28, 2021 Share Posted December 28, 2021 13 minutes ago, chasfh said: You might be giving short shrift to the idea of religious people developing their own morals. Yes, I should have said theoretically they can't. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CMRivdogs Posted December 28, 2021 Share Posted December 28, 2021 5 hours ago, Tigeraholic1 said: Funny how we want to take religion out of everything yet all of our founding documents have God written all over them. Currency, Capital Building, Supreme Court etc God.... I know once all of the historically questionable statues come down anything God related in the Government will be next. Don't you take the oath of office with your hand on a bible? I am not trying to ba a bible thumper but why is it so important NOT to reflect on a moral foundation? The 10 Commandments are a pretty reasonable way to guide your life no matter what you believe. A couple of things. In God We Trust didn't become the Official motto of the US until 1956 replacing E pluribus unum. It wasn't officially added to coins until 1955 when Pres Eisenhower signed legislation requiring the phrased be used on currency. It had been used sporadically since about 1864. Under God was added to the Pledge of Allegiance in 1954 by presidential proclamation. While there may have some support during the founding period, the biggest push came in reaction to the cold war. Mostly by conservatives pushing back from New Deal policies. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tigeraholic1 Posted December 28, 2021 Share Posted December 28, 2021 (edited) 1 hour ago, Tiger337 said: As someone who travels a lot to red rural areas of New Hampshire, I feel safer in those areas than I do in the big cities which I try to avoid. You sound like one of the locals that G2 lifts his nose to in the east berlin side of his county in Michigan. 🤪 Edited December 28, 2021 by Tigeraholic1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tigeraholic1 Posted December 28, 2021 Share Posted December 28, 2021 30 minutes ago, CMRivdogs said: A couple of things. In God We Trust didn't become the Official motto of the US until 1956 replacing E pluribus unum. It wasn't officially added to coins until 1955 when Pres Eisenhower signed legislation requiring the phrased be used on currency. It had been used sporadically since about 1864. Under God was added to the Pledge of Allegiance in 1954 by presidential proclamation. While there may have some support during the founding period, the biggest push came in reaction to the cold war. Mostly by conservatives pushing back from New Deal policies. So why do we even swear on a Bible in court? Seems like a needless step at this point. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gehringer_2 Posted December 28, 2021 Share Posted December 28, 2021 27 minutes ago, Tigeraholic1 said: So why do we even swear on a Bible in court? Seems like a needless step at this point. Culture is full of anachronisms. It's the natural state of things. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gehringer_2 Posted December 28, 2021 Share Posted December 28, 2021 34 minutes ago, Tigeraholic1 said: You sound like one of the locals that G2 lifts his nose to in the east berlin side of his county in Michigan. 🤪 Actually the East side would be Ypsi. Now that is another whole story...... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gehringer_2 Posted December 28, 2021 Share Posted December 28, 2021 4 hours ago, Tiger337 said: Commandments 5-10 are pretty universal. Commandments 1-4 require that everyone belives in God which I think is unreasonable. much of what is in the 10 commandments can also be found in earlier codes with varying levels of religious framing. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pfife Posted December 28, 2021 Author Share Posted December 28, 2021 15 minutes ago, gehringer_2 said: Actually the East side would be Ypsi. Now that is another whole story...... people's republic of ypsituck Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CMRivdogs Posted December 28, 2021 Share Posted December 28, 2021 52 minutes ago, Tigeraholic1 said: So why do we even swear on a Bible in court? Seems like a needless step at this point. Quick search indicates it goes back to 9th century England. The belief was a liar would lie in court. A copy of the bible or gospel might stop him from lying. Personally, I feel a 1945 Boy Scout Handbook would be a better option. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tiger337 Posted December 28, 2021 Share Posted December 28, 2021 10 minutes ago, CMRivdogs said: Quick search indicates it goes back to 9th century England. The belief was a liar would lie in court. A copy of the bible or gospel might stop him from lying. Personally, I feel a 1945 Boy Scout Handbook would be a better option. The Bill James Historical Abstract Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chasfh Posted December 28, 2021 Share Posted December 28, 2021 23 minutes ago, Tiger337 said: The Bill James Historical Abstract The Hitchhiker's Guide to the Galaxy. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oblong Posted December 28, 2021 Share Posted December 28, 2021 do you swear on a Bible in court? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gehringer_2 Posted December 28, 2021 Share Posted December 28, 2021 1 hour ago, CMRivdogs said: Quick search indicates it goes back to 9th century England. The belief was a liar would lie in court. A copy of the bible or gospel might stop him from lying. Personally, I feel a 1945 Boy Scout Handbook would be a better option. Boy Scouts are now on the ‘out’ list Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CMRivdogs Posted December 28, 2021 Share Posted December 28, 2021 7 minutes ago, gehringer_2 said: Boy Scouts are now on the ‘out’ list They'll have to rip my '45 handbook from my cold dead hands Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1984Echoes Posted December 29, 2021 Share Posted December 29, 2021 4 hours ago, Tigeraholic1 said: So why do we even swear on a Bible in court? Seems like a needless step at this point. I'm an atheist. What should I swear on? I know! How about: Richard Dawkins - The God Delusion? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
buddha Posted December 29, 2021 Share Posted December 29, 2021 9 hours ago, oblong said: do you swear on a Bible in court? no. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tigeraholic1 Posted December 29, 2021 Share Posted December 29, 2021 7 hours ago, buddha said: no. What? Every movie I ever watched they swear on a Bible how do you explain that? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tigeraholic1 Posted December 29, 2021 Share Posted December 29, 2021 15 hours ago, gehringer_2 said: Boy Scouts are now on the ‘out’ list Yup, cancel culture if you ever saw it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gehringer_2 Posted December 29, 2021 Share Posted December 29, 2021 2 hours ago, Tigeraholic1 said: Yup, cancel culture if you ever saw it. the national organization definitely had some problems. Most local troops were certainly fine. But times change -- in our area kids seemed to be falling away even before the big problems came to light. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oblong Posted December 29, 2021 Share Posted December 29, 2021 my 21 year old was in scouts through age 14. But with sports it got to be too much. There’s not as many kids today. Not as many leaders. And the kids are busy with other things. Scouts took a lot of time. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CMRivdogs Posted December 29, 2021 Share Posted December 29, 2021 I'm an Eagle Scout (once an Eagle...) of course that happened in the late 60s. Tried to get my son involved back in the late '80s early '90s. He showed a bit of interest and tried Scouting for a year or so. I was not very impressed with the troop. I was involved on a small basis but it seemed to me the adult leaders were more interested in making fabulous meals than woking with the kids. Times change, too many other outside activities. The 1948 Handbook and Field Book are the best ever survival books ever. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oblong Posted December 29, 2021 Share Posted December 29, 2021 Lack of leaders was also an issue. Not a lack of parents telling us what we should be doing CV though. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CMRivdogs Posted December 29, 2021 Share Posted December 29, 2021 1 hour ago, oblong said: Lack of leaders was also an issue. Not a lack of parents telling us what we should be doing CV though. That seems to always be the case. When my son started Cubs I was told I had to be den leader or he couldn't join. I believe they gave me all the problem/rowdy kids. My schedule would accommodate meetings in the evenings or Sat mornings. Sports kinda killed Saturday so I scheduled meetings for 7 (I got out of work at 6:30) then feed the kids cookies at the end of the meeting to send them home hyper. When I asked parents in the den for help I got no response. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
buddha Posted December 29, 2021 Share Posted December 29, 2021 well....and there is that whole bankruptcy thing they have to pay for. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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