gehringer_2 Posted June 24, 2022 Share Posted June 24, 2022 (edited) 30 minutes ago, mtutiger said: It's not even that there's a lack of solidarity, the majority of the country didn't want this to happen.... it's just that one side of the issue is far more united (and issue driven) than the other. Put another way, there are far more people who vote purely on conservative culture issues than liberal ones. I hate single issue voting as much as the next guy, but that's probably what it takes to actually match or exceed the intensity of the other side of this issue. Sad to say, but it's the reality. My larger point would be that in absolute truth, abortion is not a 'womens' issue in the US. It remains a conservative/liberal issue. Conservative women vote GOP just as strongly as conservative men; abortion is not an issue that peels them away from the GOP as women. It is an issue that brings them to the GOP because conservative women oppose abortion, just like the woman on the SCOTUS that just voted to end access to it. Just arguing for clarity of thought here. It's been a political miscalculation that "women" should potentially be a political swing force on the issue. The disconnect is that the 'women's' movement as understood in the US and MSM, is really the 'liberal women's' movement and it does not actually represent many women beyond the Venn diagram of the existing Democratic party, thus is not particularly politically relevant beyond its power within the Democratic party. That is not nothing, but it does mean that it is not an independent source of political weight beyond that of the existing Democratic party. Edited June 24, 2022 by gehringer_2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Motor City Sonics Posted June 24, 2022 Share Posted June 24, 2022 2 minutes ago, chasfh said: Women don't really need to go out of state to go to a clinic for a surgical abortion procedure, right? Over half of abortions are by medication, some of which can be mail-ordered, so really, it's about getting a hold of the medication, isn't it? That's an abortion. It doesn't matter if it's by doctor or drug, they are making it illegal. Doesn't matter in some states if the woman is raped, they have to have the baby. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gehringer_2 Posted June 24, 2022 Share Posted June 24, 2022 8 minutes ago, smr-nj said: So…. It’s women’s fault. that's not my point - see subsequent post. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Motown Bombers Posted June 24, 2022 Share Posted June 24, 2022 5 minutes ago, smr-nj said: Until they pass laws that can/will identify prescription holders and then prosecute them for murder. Far-fetched? You know it isn’t Louisiana did. Not sure if it was signed into law yet. Their governor is a Democrat but I think they have a large enough majority to override a veto. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chasfh Posted June 24, 2022 Share Posted June 24, 2022 6 minutes ago, smr-nj said: Until they pass laws that can/will identify prescription holders and then prosecute them for murder. Far-fetched? You know it isn’t I know it isn't. The pills will go black-market, I presume. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gehringer_2 Posted June 24, 2022 Share Posted June 24, 2022 (edited) Quote . The pills will go black-market, I presume. Right. Throughout history there has been law, and there has been practical enforcement capacity. Pharmaceutical abortion will be at least as hard to effectively control as any other illicit drug, and we see how much success we have with that. Edited June 24, 2022 by gehringer_2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Motor City Sonics Posted June 24, 2022 Share Posted June 24, 2022 They want to punish women for having sex, but not men. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chasfh Posted June 24, 2022 Share Posted June 24, 2022 4 minutes ago, Motor City Sonics said: That's an abortion. It doesn't matter if it's by doctor or drug, they are making it illegal. Doesn't matter in some states if the woman is raped, they have to have the baby. I know it's illegal. But for all the worries about poor and middle-class women having to risk dying on an illegal back-alley abortion table or—and that will happen in some cases—an illegal abortion pill might be one way to mitigate that risk. That is one difference between now and pre-Roe. This is all so horrible to contemplate. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Motor City Sonics Posted June 24, 2022 Share Posted June 24, 2022 3 minutes ago, chasfh said: I know it isn't. The pills will go black-market, I presume. And we've seen what happens when opioids went black market. That is a very dangerous option. You have no idea what you are really buying or what's in it. This isn't with just abortion medications, this will be with "The Pill" in certain states too, you know they'll go after that. Nobody's going to have sex for fun in this Christian land ! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gehringer_2 Posted June 24, 2022 Share Posted June 24, 2022 1 minute ago, Motor City Sonics said: They want to punish women for having sex, but not men. No kidding. Since the Garden of Eden. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Motor City Sonics Posted June 24, 2022 Share Posted June 24, 2022 wealthy women will just go on "spa" vacations in other countries. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chasfh Posted June 24, 2022 Share Posted June 24, 2022 I guess we soon will be able to add violent pro-abortion activists to the list of Bunker's bogeymen. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Motor City Sonics Posted June 24, 2022 Share Posted June 24, 2022 Doesn't effect me personally, I am a 57 year old white male, the whole game is rigged in my favor. But I do give a shit about other people's rights. And soon enough, something my liberal white ass likes will be taken away. I know some of you think that legal weed in this country is safe, it is not. It is still not federally legal and you get someone like DeSantis in there, he'll shut it all down. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
smr-nj Posted June 24, 2022 Share Posted June 24, 2022 18 minutes ago, gehringer_2 said: that's not my point - see subsequent post. Seems you’ve missed MY point, too. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Motown Bombers Posted June 24, 2022 Share Posted June 24, 2022 Canada will be offering abortions to American women. Canada basically has to treat the US as a third world country. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gehringer_2 Posted June 24, 2022 Share Posted June 24, 2022 1 minute ago, smr-nj said: Seems you’ve missed MY point, too. IDK. I don't disagree with anything in your post. In truth I find the position of conservative women in America perplexing, but then again, at this point I see the position of all conservatives in America as perplexing. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chasfh Posted June 24, 2022 Share Posted June 24, 2022 5 minutes ago, Motor City Sonics said: Doesn't effect me personally, I am a 57 year old white male, the whole game is rigged in my favor. But I do give a shit about other people's rights. And soon enough, something my liberal white ass likes will be taken away. I know some of you think that legal weed in this country is safe, it is not. It is still not federally legal and you get someone like DeSantis in there, he'll shut it all down. Legal weed is definitely not safe, and I too believe it stands a good chance of going away. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chasfh Posted June 24, 2022 Share Posted June 24, 2022 1 minute ago, gehringer_2 said: IDK. I don't disagree with anything in your post. In truth I find the position of conservative women in America perplexing, but then again, at this point I see the position of all conservatives in America as perplexing. Getting pregnant will definitely end up being considered the woman's or the girl's fault, all because they failed to simply Just Say No. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mtutiger Posted June 24, 2022 Share Posted June 24, 2022 I actually agree with Bill on this one.... put them on record. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Motor City Sonics Posted June 24, 2022 Share Posted June 24, 2022 (edited) Next up: Let's cut funding for unwed mothers !!!!!!!!!!!!!!! You know, the unwed mothers that can't work because they can't afford child care while the Dad who is out of the picture and not paying for a thing or raising the child is off fucking someone else? Yeah, THOSE horrible mothers. Edited June 24, 2022 by Motor City Sonics Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Motown Bombers Posted June 24, 2022 Share Posted June 24, 2022 3 minutes ago, mtutiger said: I actually agree with Bill on this one.... put them on record. Funny how Thomas didn't mention Loving v Virginia. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Motor City Sonics Posted June 24, 2022 Share Posted June 24, 2022 4 minutes ago, mtutiger said: I actually agree with Bill on this one.... put them on record. Bill's a liberal now...................well compared to what conservatives are now. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ben9753 Posted June 24, 2022 Share Posted June 24, 2022 4 minutes ago, mtutiger said: I actually agree with Bill on this one.... put them on record. Because Democrats are pussies who’d rather cry on Twitter than actually do anything. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chasfh Posted June 24, 2022 Share Posted June 24, 2022 Oh my god, is Trump actually agreeing with me on something I posted last week? Do I need to reverse myself on it? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
smr-nj Posted June 24, 2022 Share Posted June 24, 2022 Btw, this Texas SD, is pretty much saying, with this new dress code, that girls (if they wear dresses/skirts/skirts) are responsible for whatever bad things might happen to them. That.is.the.message. ========================= “Forney ISD has banned all hooded clothing across its 18 schools along with dresses and skirts among its older students. The district, located about 25 miles east of Dallas, will also prohibit t-shirts and denim pants, among other specifications for next school year. Skirts can only be worn by students in prekindergarten through fourth grade.” ======================== btw, on what f’ing alternate universe is a 4th grader (9-10 yrs old) an “OLDER” student???? Again. Girls fault. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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