pfife Posted June 25, 2022 Author Share Posted June 25, 2022 (edited) 13 minutes ago, 1984Echoes said: Quit acting like a fucking 2 year old. When is my meeting for you to approve or reject my reasons for how I vote? It's my your vote according to you Edited June 25, 2022 by pfife Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pfife Posted June 25, 2022 Author Share Posted June 25, 2022 (edited) I love how you'v been reduced to the point of being a grown ass man calling another grown ass man a fucking 2 year old because they don't buy your garbage argument on the internet. You could just be a better salesman but whatever I'm not the one trying to get someone to vote in accordance with my wishes by insulting them repeatedly Edited June 25, 2022 by pfife Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pfife Posted June 25, 2022 Author Share Posted June 25, 2022 I'm actually old enough to remember the self-appointed vote-approval council of 1 here, @1984Echoes, saying on the old board that he's voted for Republicans before. Yeah, no offense but I'll take my lectures about consequences for people who didn't vote FOR THE CONSEQUENCES DIRECTLY. I'm undefeated in voting not for republicans, don't need you bringing down my record Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tiger337 Posted June 25, 2022 Share Posted June 25, 2022 1 hour ago, Motown Bombers said: A younger Biden did run in 2008 but was canceled because he wasn't black or a woman. An even younger Biden ran in 1988 but was canceled because of a plagiarized speech. The irony here is that Obama was the inspiring choice. That is why he won. I don't know if Biden could have won. The ordering just makes more sense. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tiger337 Posted June 25, 2022 Share Posted June 25, 2022 I voted for Pat Buchanon in 2000. I had zero interest in politics at the time and wanted to vote for an odd ball. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Motown Bombers Posted June 25, 2022 Share Posted June 25, 2022 3 minutes ago, Tiger337 said: I voted for Pat Buchanon in 2000. I had zero interest in politics at the time and wanted to vote for an odd ball. I hope you didn't live in Florida at the time. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1776 Posted June 25, 2022 Share Posted June 25, 2022 I voted for Johnson/Weld in 2016. I guess some would consider these guys odd balls as well. However, that vote has aged well. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tiger337 Posted June 25, 2022 Share Posted June 25, 2022 (edited) 3 minutes ago, Motown Bombers said: I hope you didn't live in Florida at the time. nope, I lived in MA and I voted early because I was vacationing in Arizona on election night. Edited June 25, 2022 by Tiger337 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tiger337 Posted June 25, 2022 Share Posted June 25, 2022 (edited) 8 minutes ago, 1776 said: I voted for Johnson/Weld in 2016. I guess some would consider these guys odd balls as well. However, that vote has aged well. Weld was a pretty popular governor in Massachusetts. I had no problem with him. I was surprised to see him later running as a Libertarian. Edited June 25, 2022 by Tiger337 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chasfh Posted June 25, 2022 Share Posted June 25, 2022 52 minutes ago, gehringer_2 said: Yup. You need to vote to prevent what you don't want as much as to get what you do want. The repubs have internalized that much better than the dems. That’s because Republicans lead with fear, which almost by definition spurs reaction and action, while the Democrats have traditionally led with hope, which is basically the opposite. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tiger337 Posted June 25, 2022 Share Posted June 25, 2022 2 minutes ago, chasfh said: That’s because Republicans lead with fear, which almost by definition spurs reaction and action, while the Democrats have traditionally led with hope, which is basically the opposite. Running on fear helped in 2020. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1984Echoes Posted June 25, 2022 Share Posted June 25, 2022 (edited) 4 minutes ago, Tiger337 said: Running on fear helped in 2020. That was existential fear. It had a little extra above-normal "kick"... Edited June 25, 2022 by 1984Echoes Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Edman85 Posted June 25, 2022 Share Posted June 25, 2022 (edited) 1 hour ago, 1776 said: I voted for Johnson/Weld in 2016. I guess some would consider these guys odd balls as well. However, that vote has aged well. Ironic... I voted for them and convinced others to as well. I wish I would have voted for Clinton/Kaine if I knew how dangerous the Trump tidal wave was gonna be. Having said that, not auto-voting Republican was a big step for me at the time. Edited June 25, 2022 by Edman85 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chasfh Posted June 25, 2022 Share Posted June 25, 2022 46 minutes ago, Motown Bombers said: What, medicine-for-obscene-profit is not a third? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chasfh Posted June 25, 2022 Share Posted June 25, 2022 I would also think the guy getting the second most votes and still winning the election is a strong #4. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1776 Posted June 25, 2022 Share Posted June 25, 2022 I’m anxious to see if Justin Amash will be on the ballot anywhere in 2024. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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mtutiger Posted June 25, 2022 Share Posted June 25, 2022 7 minutes ago, 1776 said: I’m anxious to see if Justin Amash will be on the ballot anywhere in 2024. I think the bigger problem is that third party votes don't really have a lot of value in a first past the post system, particularly when votes are allocated by the Electoral College. I doubt Amash changes that. I would love to have a voting system similar to France where it's based on popular vote and subject to a runoff when the top vote getter is below 50%... it would ensure more options for the public and that whoever wins would be the consensus choice. But that will not happen here. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gehringer_2 Posted June 25, 2022 Share Posted June 25, 2022 2 minutes ago, mtutiger said: I think the bigger problem is that third party votes don't really have a lot of value in a first past the post system, particularly when votes are allocated by the Electoral College. I doubt Amash changes that. I would love to have a voting system similar to France where it's based on popular vote and subject to a runoff when the top vote getter is below 50%... it would ensure more options for the public and that whoever wins would be the consensus choice. But that will not happen here. third parties only function legislatively and only then if the they can swing the balance of power. They make no sense at all in presidential election, it's just a wasted vote unless your guy actually has a practical chance to win, and no 3rd party presidential candidate in my lifetime has. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chasfh Posted June 25, 2022 Share Posted June 25, 2022 (edited) 8 minutes ago, gehringer_2 said: third parties only function legislatively and only then if the they can swing the balance of power. They make no sense at all in presidential election, it's just a wasted vote unless your guy actually has a practical chance to win, and no 3rd party presidential candidate in my lifetime has. Even pretending a third party candidate could win, good luck establishing a relationship with a Congress none of whom are in the same party as you. A far more likely outcome is a third party candidate securing enough electoral votes (probably in the south and southwest through a, I don’t know, overturn-the-13th-amendment platform or something) to deny any candidate getting a majority, at which point the president gets chosen by the House using that completely asinine one-state/one-vote arrangement that Eastman wanted to unlock a couple years ago. Edited June 25, 2022 by chasfh Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1776 Posted June 25, 2022 Share Posted June 25, 2022 Just now, gehringer_2 said: third parties only function legislatively and only then if the they can swing the balance of power. They make no sense at all in presidential election, it's just a wasted vote unless your guy actually has a practical chance to win, and no 3rd party presidential candidate in my lifetime has. If Perot hadn’t decided to go over the edge with his campaign back in the day, (over the top accusations about Bush and quitting/reentering race) it would have been interesting to see how that would have finished up. I almost wondered at the time if he had regretted getting into the race and wanted out, without admitting it of course. Ross was all about, “looking under the hood.” Another chapter in American history. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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gehringer_2 Posted June 25, 2022 Share Posted June 25, 2022 (edited) So Maine is not giving in to Scotus without a fight. They are demanding any school in the program adhere to the state's LGBTQ non-disecriminaiton policy. The schools that filed the original suit probably will not participate on those grounds. More courts cases will be pending. This is a very clarifying situation though. It shows that these schools really want the money not to educate, but to do their religious indoctrination with public money. Edited June 25, 2022 by gehringer_2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1984Echoes Posted June 25, 2022 Share Posted June 25, 2022 13 minutes ago, gehringer_2 said: So Maine is not giving in to Scotus without a fight. They are demanding any school in the program adhere to the state's LGBTQ non-disecriminaiton policy. The schools that filed the original suit probably will not participate on those grounds. More courts cases will be pending. This is a very clarifying situation though. It shows that these schools really want the money not to educate, but to do their religious indoctrination with public money. So yank their permits and licenses. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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