Motown Bombers Posted May 6, 2022 Share Posted May 6, 2022 2 minutes ago, Tigeraholic1 said: Many pro life folks like myself view the dead babies as a holocaust so there is that. How come women can't get life insurance policies on these babies? Or claim them as dependents on their income tax? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mtutiger Posted May 6, 2022 Share Posted May 6, 2022 18 minutes ago, Tigeraholic1 said: Many pro life folks like myself view the dead babies as a holocaust so there is that. If a mom has to undergo an ectopic pregnancy, where her life may be in danger, should she be forced to do it? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gehringer_2 Posted May 6, 2022 Share Posted May 6, 2022 (edited) 35 minutes ago, Tigeraholic1 said: Many pro life folks like myself view the dead babies as a holocaust so there is that. Correct, but if we are not to live in a theocracy people must respect the right of others to believe that is not the case. Edited May 6, 2022 by gehringer_2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
buddha Posted May 6, 2022 Share Posted May 6, 2022 4 minutes ago, gehringer_2 said: Correct, but if we are not to live in a theocracy people must respect the right of others to believe that is not the case. do you respect his views? didnt you post earlier about all the anti abortion people just being old men who have hang ups about sex and controlling women? if that wasnt you then i apologize. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Motown Bombers Posted May 6, 2022 Share Posted May 6, 2022 Just now, buddha said: do you respect his views? didnt you post earlier about all the anti abortion people just being old men who have hang ups about sex and controlling women? if that wasnt you then i apologize. I respect his views and he's absolutely free to not take part in an abortion and no one is forcing his wife/gf to get an abortion. Unfortunately, people with his views are forcing women to birth children that may kill them. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
buddha Posted May 6, 2022 Share Posted May 6, 2022 9 minutes ago, Motown Bombers said: I respect his views and he's absolutely free to not take part in an abortion and no one is forcing his wife/gf to get an abortion. Unfortunately, people with his views are forcing women to birth children that may kill them. and im sure he would argue that people with your views have allowed the slaughter of millions of innocent babies. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Motown Bombers Posted May 6, 2022 Share Posted May 6, 2022 1 minute ago, buddha said: and im sure he would argue that people with your views have allowed the slaughter of millions of innocent babies. Innocent babies that somehow don't have the rights as babies. As soon as a woman is pregnant, the state should issue a birth certificate and she should be able to claim that baby on income tax. Anyways, I would argue that an embryo isn't an innocent baby. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
buddha Posted May 6, 2022 Share Posted May 6, 2022 11 minutes ago, Motown Bombers said: Innocent babies that somehow don't have the rights as babies. As soon as a woman is pregnant, the state should issue a birth certificate and she should be able to claim that baby on income tax. Anyways, I would argue that an embryo isn't an innocent baby. when do you think it becomes a baby? when its born and the mother can claim it on her tax return? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
buddha Posted May 6, 2022 Share Posted May 6, 2022 1 hour ago, Motown Bombers said: How come women can't get life insurance policies on these babies? Or claim them as dependents on their income tax? https://www.genre.com/knowledge/blog/unborn-child-insurance-how-early-can-coverage-begin-en.html you can in some countries. so that obviously proves its a baby before its born. or maybe its just a baby in asia before its born? hoisted by your own petard. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mtutiger Posted May 6, 2022 Share Posted May 6, 2022 16 minutes ago, buddha said: and im sure he would argue that people with your views have allowed the slaughter of millions of innocent babies. I would argue that people with his views would allow moms in some situations to die. Any consideration there at all? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
buddha Posted May 6, 2022 Share Posted May 6, 2022 Just now, mtutiger said: I would argue that people with his views would allow moms in some situations to die. Any consideration there at all? yes. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mtutiger Posted May 6, 2022 Share Posted May 6, 2022 1 minute ago, buddha said: yes. At a minimum, it all seems kinda secondary to the debate. Which is pretty sad. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
buddha Posted May 6, 2022 Share Posted May 6, 2022 1 minute ago, mtutiger said: At a minimum, it all seems kinda secondary to the debate. Which is pretty sad. i would argue that "my body my choice" makes the baby secondary to the debate, which is also sad. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Motown Bombers Posted May 6, 2022 Share Posted May 6, 2022 8 minutes ago, buddha said: https://www.genre.com/knowledge/blog/unborn-child-insurance-how-early-can-coverage-begin-en.html you can in some countries. so that obviously proves its a baby before its born. or maybe its just a baby in asia before its born? hoisted by your own petard. Republicans making the US more like China. You really got me there. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mtutiger Posted May 6, 2022 Share Posted May 6, 2022 (edited) 3 minutes ago, buddha said: i would argue that "my body my choice" makes the baby secondary to the debate, which is also sad. Unless I'm following a different debate than you are, the baby has never been secondary to this debate in the real world. Or at least where I live. It is the beginning and the end. The hard questions, they grey area, how it effects the health of the mom, those questions all get ignored. They are secondary Edited May 6, 2022 by mtutiger Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
buddha Posted May 7, 2022 Share Posted May 7, 2022 43 minutes ago, Motown Bombers said: Republicans making the US more like China. You really got me there. they abort babies in china if theyre girls. sounds like democrats are trying to make america more like china. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
buddha Posted May 7, 2022 Share Posted May 7, 2022 42 minutes ago, mtutiger said: Unless I'm following a different debate than you are, the baby has never been secondary to this debate in the real world. Or at least where I live. It is the beginning and the end. The hard questions, they grey area, how it effects the health of the mom, those questions all get ignored. They are secondary of course both are important. no offense, its you that keeps bringing up alternative scenarios and "what ifs" and counter arguments to everything i say. ive said a number of times what i think in this thread and you have said you agree with me, so im not sure what youre getting at with this. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Motown Bombers Posted May 7, 2022 Share Posted May 7, 2022 4 minutes ago, buddha said: they abort babies in china if theyre girls. sounds like democrats are trying to make america more like china. That's not all the Democrats position. They aren't forcing anyone to get an abortion. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Motown Bombers Posted May 7, 2022 Share Posted May 7, 2022 I'm guessing these pro life people forcing birth won't support government paid maternity leave. That's the extreme left. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
buddha Posted May 7, 2022 Share Posted May 7, 2022 4 minutes ago, Motown Bombers said: That's not all the Democrats position. They aren't forcing anyone to get an abortion. nope. youre totally china. what does the chinese tax code say about babies? since you think the us tax code is so relevant? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Motown Bombers Posted May 7, 2022 Share Posted May 7, 2022 2 minutes ago, buddha said: nope. youre totally china. what does the chinese tax code say about babies? since you think the us tax code is so relevant? For the record I do not believe a fetus should be claimed as a dependent. That just seems like the next logical step if you consider it a baby and consider it murder punishable by life in prison or worse for having an abortion. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Motown Bombers Posted May 7, 2022 Share Posted May 7, 2022 And it isn't just taxes. The mother should be able to take out a life insurance policy on the fetus. The age where one become an adult would then be 17 years and 3 months. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
romad1 Posted May 7, 2022 Share Posted May 7, 2022 2 hours ago, Tigeraholic1 said: Many pro life folks like myself view the dead babies as a holocaust so there is that. Ok, Roots was an excellent book and mini-series. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
buddha Posted May 7, 2022 Share Posted May 7, 2022 Just now, Motown Bombers said: For the record I do not believe a fetus should be claimed as a dependent. That just seems like the next logical step if you consider it a baby and consider it murder punishable by life in prison or worse for having an abortion. so you dont actually think a matter of "when life begins" should be determined by the insurance industry or the vagueries of the american tax code? phew. when do you think it becomes a "baby" worthy of protection? if a third party kills a pregnant woman, the person can face murder charges for the unborn baby. you ok with that? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tigeraholic1 Posted May 7, 2022 Share Posted May 7, 2022 2 minutes ago, buddha said: of course both are important. no offense, its you that keeps bringing up alternative scenarios and "what ifs" and counter arguments to everything i say. ive said a number of times what i think in this thread and you have said you agree with me, so im not sure what youre getting at with this. It’s basically the same argument I heard Trumpers use “what ifs” open borders/ no abortions 750k Dirty Illegals/ 750K bound to fail babies The illegals will suck off the welfare system/ The babies will suck off welfare system We can’t stop the libs because the system is rigged/ Can’t stop the Red Hats because the system is rigged Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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