lordstanley Posted November 6, 2023 Share Posted November 6, 2023 14 minutes ago, romad1 said: https://apnews.com/article/michigan-sign-stealing-452b6a83bb0d0a3707f633af72fe92ac Boom. "was his job to steal signs and he was given details from multiple league schools to compile a spreadsheet of play-calling signals used by Michigan last year" Thank God no Michigan player got injured because of this. We've been told the past 2 weeks that sign stealing is a dangerous practice that jeopardizes the health and safety of football players and the health and safety of guys on the Spartans. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
romad1 Posted November 6, 2023 Share Posted November 6, 2023 insert meme of Theoden saying "so it begins" at the Battle of Helms Deep in the movie The Two Towers Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
romad1 Posted November 6, 2023 Share Posted November 6, 2023 Appears Isaiah Hole thinks more is coming Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lordstanley Posted November 6, 2023 Share Posted November 6, 2023 5 minutes ago, romad1 said: insert meme of Theoden saying "so it begins" at the Battle of Helms Deep in the movie The Two Towers I'm glad it's an AP story, rather than Bacon or Webb. Surely not even ESPN can ignore and not pick it up. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MichiganCardinal Posted November 6, 2023 Share Posted November 6, 2023 18 minutes ago, gehringer_2 said: I still go back to the whole sign stealing thing as a tempest in a teapot. Is there any team doesn't use multiple signals? I heard a coach call in on the radio talking about what a huge advantage it is for a DB to know run/pass before the snap, but if you signal a run and a pass in your multiple, how much help is it then? Not to mention you'd think any coach worth his salt would just send plays in on player rotation if he suspected the D had his calls. Teams played football successfully for decades before play signing became a thing. It's not justification of breaking the rules but the way all these dummies are talking about this doesn't say much for the brains of the average sports commentator. If this whole thing has shown nothing, it's how dumb the NCAA is for not permitting two-way communication between a coaching staff and players on offense and defense. They allow it in baseball between coach and catcher, but not in a louder, more open environment? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gehringer_2 Posted November 6, 2023 Share Posted November 6, 2023 (edited) 18 minutes ago, MichiganCardinal said: If this whole thing has shown nothing, it's how dumb the NCAA is for not permitting two-way communication between a coaching staff and players on offense and defense. They allow it in baseball between coach and catcher, but not in a louder, more open environment? "Gee coach Manly, it sure seems like those evil guys in blue on the other side have our signs! Whatever can we do?" "Well Rusty, I guess we'll just have to lose this game and then throw ourselves on the goodness of the B1G enforcement office because in all my years of coaching I can't think of single thing we can do now!" "What a pickle were in!" Edited November 6, 2023 by gehringer_2 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
romad1 Posted November 6, 2023 Share Posted November 6, 2023 3 minutes ago, gehringer_2 said: "Gee coach Manly, it sure seems like those evil guys in blue on the other side have our signs! Whatever can we do?" "Well Rusty, I guess we'll just have to loose this game and then throw ourselves on the goodness of the B1G enforcement office because in all my years of coaching I can't think of single thing we can do now!" "What a pickle were in!" Meanwhile, they were sharing Michigan's signs with all of Michigan's opponents. And potentially having PI firms conduct CNE into Michigan's networks to gather data. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lordstanley Posted November 6, 2023 Share Posted November 6, 2023 3 minutes ago, romad1 said: Meanwhile, they were sharing Michigan's signs with all of Michigan's opponents. And potentially having PI firms conduct CNE into Michigan's networks to gather data. Big 1, Little 13. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lordstanley Posted November 6, 2023 Share Posted November 6, 2023 https://sports.yahoo.com/sources-ncaa-revealed-michigan-findings-to-big-ten-conference-mulling-jim-harbaugh-suspension-212327599.html The NCAA’s findings do not connect the in-person scouting and recording of opponents’ sidelines to Harbaugh, sources say, an absence of evidence essential to a potential lawsuit from the school and coach against the league. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
buddha Posted November 6, 2023 Share Posted November 6, 2023 51 minutes ago, lordstanley said: "was his job to steal signs and he was given details from multiple league schools to compile a spreadsheet of play-calling signals used by Michigan last year" Thank God no Michigan player got injured because of this. We've been told the past 2 weeks that sign stealing is a dangerous practice that jeopardizes the health and safety of football players and the health and safety of guys on the Spartans. that should all be common knowledge to every coach in college football. and will hopefully quiet the ryan walters' of the world crying about how horrible the IDEA of sign stealing is. we all know - well, those of us who arent here simply to troll michigan fans- that every school steals signs. the other "rumors" of people sharing film of michigan practices is more damning and potentially more troublesome for the accused, but that's only an internet allegation and no one from the AP or unaffiliated with michigan press member has put a name to it. the rumors continue but as of now theyre still just rumors. and the idea that others simply stole signs - while putting the moralizing BS of the big ten coaches to rest - doesnt help michigan with the sanctions. the sanctions arent for stealing signs, that's legal; rather, the allegations are for having someone in person steal them. so michigan will get hit for that and so will harbaugh. seems like a distinction without a difference, but it is the rule. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lordstanley Posted November 6, 2023 Share Posted November 6, 2023 22 minutes ago, buddha said: that should all be common knowledge to every coach in college football. and will hopefully quiet the ryan walters' of the world crying about how horrible the IDEA of sign stealing is. we all know - well, those of us who arent here simply to troll michigan fans- that every school steals signs. the other "rumors" of people sharing film of michigan practices is more damning and potentially more troublesome for the accused, but that's only an internet allegation and no one from the AP or unaffiliated with michigan press member has put a name to it. the rumors continue but as of now theyre still just rumors. and the idea that others simply stole signs - while putting the moralizing BS of the big ten coaches to rest - doesnt help michigan with the sanctions. the sanctions arent for stealing signs, that's legal; rather, the allegations are for having someone in person steal them. so michigan will get hit for that and so will harbaugh. seems like a distinction without a difference, but it is the rule. Depends on how the shared signs data was sourced. If, say, an Illinois low level staffer or fan, with Illinois having just played Michigan, sent a low level staffer of another team info about Michigan’s signs, that info almost certainly would have been sourced in-person. Stalions only had friends go watch games. If other teams effectively had personnel from other teams do the in-person scouting, that’s arguably worse. Maybe they didn’t use electronic means. Or less likely, maybe they didn’t do in-person scouting, maybe their equal at another school said “in advance of our game against Michigan, we pored over publicly available game tape and were able to figure out enough about Michigan’s signs, and we can save you the trouble of having to do so before you play them next week” Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Deleterious Posted November 7, 2023 Share Posted November 7, 2023 Watch CMU catch some sanctions while Michigan skates. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
romad1 Posted November 7, 2023 Share Posted November 7, 2023 Will be interesting if Blake Corum sues Ryan Walters for injuring him in the Illinois game last year as part of collusion with the other B1G coaches he was in consortium with. Ryan Walters has been one of the loudest complainers. Every accusation is a confession. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hongbit Posted November 7, 2023 Share Posted November 7, 2023 6 minutes ago, romad1 said: Every accusation is a confession. I prefer “Whoever smelt it, dealt it” Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
buddha Posted November 7, 2023 Share Posted November 7, 2023 2 hours ago, lordstanley said: I'm glad it's an AP story, rather than Bacon or Webb. Surely not even ESPN can ignore and not pick it up. nope. only thing on espn is about michigan getting sanctions. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tigeraholic1 Posted November 7, 2023 Share Posted November 7, 2023 1 hour ago, Hongbit said: So much for Qanon being behind this, sigh…. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MIguy Posted November 7, 2023 Share Posted November 7, 2023 Report: NCAA Findings Don't Link Michigan's Jim Harbaugh to Sign-Stealing Allegations Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
romad1 Posted November 7, 2023 Share Posted November 7, 2023 11 minutes ago, Tigeraholic1 said: So much for Qanon being behind this, sigh…. I keep seeing you trying this line of "attack." Try harder. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
romad1 Posted November 7, 2023 Share Posted November 7, 2023 found this amusing. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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romad1 Posted November 7, 2023 Share Posted November 7, 2023 apparently the documentation has been provided Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
romad1 Posted November 7, 2023 Share Posted November 7, 2023 and SI has published the purloined calls for Michigan Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
romad1 Posted November 7, 2023 Share Posted November 7, 2023 (edited) Sam Webb on his show with Al Borges is basically saying that if the B1G is a business partnership and if your business partners try to screw you, you should leave the partnership. Edited November 7, 2023 by romad1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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