slothfacekilla Posted March 18, 2022 Author Share Posted March 18, 2022 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
buddha Posted March 20, 2022 Share Posted March 20, 2022 leafs waive mrazek... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1984Echoes Posted March 20, 2022 Share Posted March 20, 2022 Damn. What's his contract? We could trade Greiss for a mid-to-late-round pick. And then pick Mrazek up just to throw at the backup spot. Give him a chance to try and get his mojo back. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sagnam Posted March 20, 2022 Share Posted March 20, 2022 Pass. I hold grudges and he shook his helmet off to get a whistle when playing the Wings. I don't want that kind of drama from a marginal at best player. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
buddha Posted March 20, 2022 Share Posted March 20, 2022 1 hour ago, 1984Echoes said: Damn. What's his contract? We could trade Greiss for a mid-to-late-round pick. And then pick Mrazek up just to throw at the backup spot. Give him a chance to try and get his mojo back. his contract is not small. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
slothfacekilla Posted March 28, 2022 Author Share Posted March 28, 2022 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1984Echoes Posted March 28, 2022 Share Posted March 28, 2022 Smoke. Fire. Fire Blashill. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shinzaki Posted March 29, 2022 Share Posted March 29, 2022 Be interesting to see what the effort level looks like against NY...been more than a couple of games of late where the team looked totally unwilling to put forth the effort Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gehringer_2 Posted March 29, 2022 Share Posted March 29, 2022 On 3/28/2022 at 1:42 PM, slothfacekilla said: Hmm, 'some of".."? I guess if that's Seider and Raymond I care, if it's any of the rest of the under performing crew (Zadina, Veleno, Rasmussen etc), not so much. I suppose if anything it's surprising there there hasn't been more dissention on a team that's losing this much. If they've tuned Blashill out there isn't much you can do but dump him. Like they say, you can't get rid of the whole team.....well, wait - you actually could get rid of pretty much this whole team less 5 guys and be no worse off. Stiil, it seems unlikely (to me) Yzerman would do anything until the end of the season. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hongbit Posted March 29, 2022 Share Posted March 29, 2022 Stevie Y strikes me as someone that likes the team has tension with the head coach at a time they are playing like complete dogshit. Seems he’d be pissed if it was all rainbows and unicorns right now in the room. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gehringer_2 Posted March 30, 2022 Share Posted March 30, 2022 (edited) 7 hours ago, Hongbit said: Stevie Y strikes me as someone that likes the team has tension with the head coach at a time they are playing like complete dogshit. Seems he’d be pissed if it was all rainbows and unicorns right now in the room. I don't know how much is Blashill and how much is a team that is just out of gas and out of hope of beating the teams they are playing that are just better than they are. You can chase people around the ice that are faster and stronger than you are only so much of a season before the talent difference wears a team out mentally and physically. The problem now for Blashill is that even if it's not 'him' in any objective way, his coaching credibility has been eroded away by so many losing seasons that it may not be possible for him to turn it around with the Wings anymore even if he is a good coach in the abstract, and who knows if that's true at this point? But this roster is still going to be too weak to win next year and maybe even another, so that probably means the next round will be another another young 'disposable' coach as placeholder. Edited March 30, 2022 by gehringer_2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1984Echoes Posted March 30, 2022 Share Posted March 30, 2022 It could also be that Blashill is demanding the kids play responsible defense, or a two-way game; and to "earn" their time on ice... and the kids (outside of Mo and Lucas) just want their ice time and to play lots and lots of offense (forgetting about D...). On that basis, he's obviously justified. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gehringer_2 Posted March 30, 2022 Share Posted March 30, 2022 2 hours ago, 1984Echoes said: It could also be that Blashill is demanding the kids play responsible defense, or a two-way game; and to "earn" their time on ice... and the kids (outside of Mo and Lucas) just want their ice time and to play lots and lots of offense (forgetting about D...). On that basis, he's obviously justified. We have to put the Kool-Aid away. Watch Veleno, Rasmussen, Zadina, with any kind of objective view and it's pretty clear - they are not very good. Skating, passing, possession skills all lacking in all three. The rest of the line-up are end of the liners like Staal, or other team's discards. Blash may be a good or bad coach, but he isn't the reason these guys can't beat anyone to a puck or make an accurate pass or play through a check or shoot the puck effectively. To be charitable they have so far built 1/4 of an NHL roster. A couple of years ago I thought the Red Wings would be the 1st team to turn around, but I don't think that anymore even with a GM as talented at Yzerman. Which is too bad because they are wasting time for Larks and Seider esp., who deserve better mates. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
buddha Posted March 30, 2022 Share Posted March 30, 2022 3 minutes ago, gehringer_2 said: We have to put the Kool-Aid away. Watch Veleno, Rasmussen, Zadina, with any kind of objective view and it's pretty clear - they are not very good. Skating, passing, possession skills all lacking in all three. The rest of the line-up are end of the liners like Staal, or other team's discards. Blash may be a good or bad coach, but he isn't the reason these guys can't beat anyone to a puck or make an accurate pass or play through a check or shoot the puck effectively. To be charitable they have so far built 1/4 of an NHL roster. A couple of years ago I thought the Red Wings would be the 1st team to turn around, but I don't think that anymore even with a GM as talented at Yzerman. Which is too bad because they are wasting time for Larks and Seider esp., who deserve better mates. that's why i'm wary of counting on berggren or mcissac to be anything special. any player drafted by the previous regime is suspect to me. they missed on almost every single pick from 2015 to 2018. the players they picked high who are in the nhl (zadina, ras, veleno, lindstrom, smith, hronek) are all either bad or below average players. none have developed into difference makers in the nhl. i dont trust anything that ken holland touched on this team. nothing. in fairness, many of them are still young and still have time to develop, but its not looking good for any of them right now to be anything more than role players at best, which is the kiss of death for a team like detroit. yzerman inherited a glorified expansion team when he got here. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
buddha Posted March 30, 2022 Share Posted March 30, 2022 On 3/28/2022 at 12:42 PM, slothfacekilla said: remember, this is the same guy who said bertuzzi ok'd a trade. so be wary... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shinzaki Posted March 30, 2022 Share Posted March 30, 2022 Getting nothing or next to nothing out of Cholowski, Rasmussen, Zadina and Veleno is as big a reason why we aren't a playoff team as anything else. That's a fair number of picks to miss on.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gehringer_2 Posted March 30, 2022 Share Posted March 30, 2022 4 minutes ago, Shinzaki said: Getting nothing or next to nothing out of Cholowski, Rasmussen, Zadina and Veleno is as big a reason why we aren't a playoff team as anything else. That's a fair number of picks to miss on.... Oddly enough though, for me it's a source of hope for the RWs. That Ken Holland got another GM gig in the NHL after what he did to the Wings is proof that the old boy network is still so much more operative in the NHL than judgment on competence, that it makes it that much easier for a guy like Yzerman to move his org past half the teams in the NHL before he even has to try too hard. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
buddha Posted March 30, 2022 Share Posted March 30, 2022 48 minutes ago, Shinzaki said: Getting nothing or next to nothing out of Cholowski, Rasmussen, Zadina and Veleno is as big a reason why we aren't a playoff team as anything else. That's a fair number of picks to miss on.... and let's remember that everyone and their brother was high on chychrun and holland traded out of that pick that became chychrun so he could take cholowski. now chychrun is a borderline all star and cholowski is almost out of the league in three years. ken holland ruined this franchise. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
slothfacekilla Posted March 30, 2022 Author Share Posted March 30, 2022 2 hours ago, buddha said: and let's remember that everyone and their brother was high on chychrun and holland traded out of that pick that became chychrun so he could take cholowski. now chychrun is a borderline all star and cholowski is almost out of the league in three years. ken holland ruined this franchise. I feel like we more traded out of that pick to get Datsyuk's contract off the books so they could take a run at Stamkos, not so that he could drop down for Cholowski. Not that it is any better (even if I don't think Chychrun is a stud - he's at least in the NHL and has stretches of putting up points) but I don't think it was ever done with Cholowski in mind unless I missed something. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr.TaterSalad Posted March 30, 2022 Share Posted March 30, 2022 Sad to see Al Sobotka got fired today. I wonder why. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1984Echoes Posted March 30, 2022 Share Posted March 30, 2022 7 hours ago, gehringer_2 said: We have to put the Kool-Aid away. Watch Veleno, Rasmussen, Zadina, with any kind of objective view and it's pretty clear - they are not very good. Skating, passing, possession skills all lacking in all three. The rest of the line-up are end of the liners like Staal, or other team's discards. Blash may be a good or bad coach, but he isn't the reason these guys can't beat anyone to a puck or make an accurate pass or play through a check or shoot the puck effectively. To be charitable they have so far built 1/4 of an NHL roster. A couple of years ago I thought the Red Wings would be the 1st team to turn around, but I don't think that anymore even with a GM as talented at Yzerman. Which is too bad because they are wasting time for Larks and Seider esp., who deserve better mates. I'mn not bashing Blashill for this, I'm supporting him. I'm saying the same thing you are... the kids (outside of Mo & Raymond) aren't playing defense and aren't earning time on ice (for lack of defense, puck possession, passing, all the things you outlined). It's as simple as that. So of course they're bitching about Blash... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1984Echoes Posted March 30, 2022 Share Posted March 30, 2022 5 hours ago, buddha said: and let's remember that everyone and their brother was high on chychrun and holland traded out of that pick that became chychrun so he could take cholowski... This is not correct. 2 hours ago, slothfacekilla said: I feel like we more traded out of that pick to get Datsyuk's contract off the books... This is correct. Which doesn't make it any better since, as buddha pointed out, Chychrun is actually an NHL player whilst Cholo is craptitude Ken Holland sucks. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
buddha Posted March 30, 2022 Share Posted March 30, 2022 i dont mean to say he traded down JUST TO TAKE CHOLOWSKI, i'm saying chychrun fell to that spot and the red wings traded out of that spot rather than take chychrun and instead ended up taking cholowski. which is yet another move that has crippled this team. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1984Echoes Posted March 30, 2022 Share Posted March 30, 2022 Gotcha. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
buddha Posted March 30, 2022 Share Posted March 30, 2022 29 minutes ago, 1984Echoes said: I'mn not bashing Blashill for this, I'm supporting him. I'm saying the same thing you are... the kids (outside of Mo & Raymond) aren't playing defense and aren't earning time on ice (for lack of defense, puck possession, passing, all the things you outlined). It's as simple as that. So of course they're bitching about Blash... i dont think there is any evidende they are bitching about blash other than a very shaky twitter account. also, raymond plays defense? i guess. raymond is a rookie who is on the smaller side and is here to score, i'm not worried if he gets occasionally. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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