gehringer_2 Posted May 17, 2022 Share Posted May 17, 2022 (edited) 25 minutes ago, buddha said: https://www.wingedwheelpodcast.com/post/if-i-were-steve-yzerman-2022-edition-part-1 pras is always good at these. bottom line: we have a long way to go. They are crappy on D because they do not attack the puck when the other team has it - they all sag off all the time - they don't fore-check, they don't close-out opposing puck carriers. They basically wait to recover pucks after shots on goal and aren't very good at that either. There are two extreme poles as to why - 1) they are just too slow 2) they have been coached to play that way. I have no question that #1 is at least partly true, but replacing Blashill should help resolve the balance between those possibilities. Of course the degree to which #2 is the problem is why he had to go. For instance there is no reason for Larkin or Bertuzzi to rank poorly defensively. Edited May 17, 2022 by gehringer_2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
buddha Posted May 17, 2022 Share Posted May 17, 2022 seider ranking as an "almost elite" defenseman at age 20-21 is pretty damn good. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sagnam Posted May 17, 2022 Share Posted May 17, 2022 3 hours ago, gehringer_2 said: They are crappy on D because they do not attack the puck when the other team has it - they all sag off all the time - they don't fore-check, they don't close-out opposing puck carriers. They basically wait to recover pucks after shots on goal and aren't very good at that either. There are two extreme poles as to why - 1) they are just too slow 2) they have been coached to play that way. I have no question that #1 is at least partly true, but replacing Blashill should help resolve the balance between those possibilities. Of course the degree to which #2 is the problem is why he had to go. For instance there is no reason for Larkin or Bertuzzi to rank poorly defensively. Watch Dallas in the playoffs was the exact same. What Calgary was entering the zone I half expected the d-men to be behind the net they were falling back so fast. I think it’s your only option when you are out skilled. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gehringer_2 Posted May 17, 2022 Share Posted May 17, 2022 12 minutes ago, sagnam said: Watch Dallas in the playoffs was the exact same. LOL - I know, I watched that game 7 and thought "Where did the Wings get those green sweaters! 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gehringer_2 Posted May 17, 2022 Share Posted May 17, 2022 (edited) 4 hours ago, buddha said: seider ranking as an "almost elite" defenseman at age 20-21 is pretty damn good. Seriously, the only thing keeping Seider from being 'completely' elite is more TOI with better other players. Edited May 17, 2022 by gehringer_2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
buddha Posted May 17, 2022 Share Posted May 17, 2022 what would it take for the wings to take mrazek from the leafs? a first round pick? second? he's got a no trade clause, so were probably on it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1984Echoes Posted May 18, 2022 Share Posted May 18, 2022 3 hours ago, sagnam said: Watch Dallas in the playoffs was the exact same. What Calgary was entering the zone I half expected the d-men to be behind the net they were falling back so fast. I think it’s your only option when you are out skilled. This is the correct answer. Which means the OTHER correct answer is that the Wings need to vastly improve their D-Line talent before we can dream of a fast physical defense that can both keep the other team in front of them as well as hit them/ take pucks away from them. That also means a little extra help from the forwards as well so there is also a talent need there of course... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sagnam Posted May 18, 2022 Share Posted May 18, 2022 Maple Leafs star Mitch Marner's SUV stolen in armed carjacking Monday Just heard about this watching the game on CBC. Damn. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gehringer_2 Posted May 22, 2022 Share Posted May 22, 2022 (edited) Red Wings and Hirose with a 2yr deal. Well, it a good thing that *that's* out of the way so will finally be be able to focus on a coach and the draft. https://www.detroitnews.com/story/sports/nhl/red-wings/2022/05/21/detroit-red-wings-taro-hirose-agree-two-year-contract-extension/9876271002/ Edited May 22, 2022 by gehringer_2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
buddha Posted May 22, 2022 Share Posted May 22, 2022 why? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
buddha Posted May 22, 2022 Share Posted May 22, 2022 two years, $850k. two way deal. nothing contract befitting a nothing player who can play in the nhl in a pinch. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sagnam Posted May 22, 2022 Share Posted May 22, 2022 Binnington is out the rest of round 2. For him that’s the rest of this playoffs. Players should be held responsible for “going hard to the net.” Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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slothfacekilla Posted May 23, 2022 Author Share Posted May 23, 2022 21 hours ago, sagnam said: Binnington is out the rest of round 2. For him that’s the rest of this playoffs. Players should be held responsible for “going hard to the net.” I don't like Kadri but I'm not sure what he's supposed to do there. He's battling with a defenseman trying to get to a loose puck outside the crease and gets tangled up with the defenseman. It is unfortunate it happened but I didn't even see a penalty on the play myself. It's like Girard's broken sternum to me, it wasn't illegal just an unfortunate result. Binnington being the absolute baby he is throwing a water bottle at Kadri during an interview is so hilarious though. Dude is a major headcase/child and I'm so glad he isn't my team's goalie. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
buddha Posted May 23, 2022 Share Posted May 23, 2022 friedman reporting yzerman is interested in trotz and he is going to interview for the position. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hongbit Posted May 23, 2022 Share Posted May 23, 2022 36 minutes ago, buddha said: friedman reporting yzerman is interested in trotz and he is going to interview for the position. Interesting development. I assumed it was going to be either Lalonde or Halpern once TB’s season ends. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sagnam Posted May 23, 2022 Share Posted May 23, 2022 7 hours ago, slothfacekilla said: I don't like Kadri but I'm not sure what he's supposed to do there. He's battling with a defenseman trying to get to a loose puck outside the crease and gets tangled up with the defenseman. It is unfortunate it happened but I didn't even see a penalty on the play myself. It's like Girard's broken sternum to me, it wasn't illegal just an unfortunate result. Binnington being the absolute baby he is throwing a water bottle at Kadri during an interview is so hilarious though. Dude is a major headcase/child and I'm so glad he isn't my team's goalie. Binnington throwing the bottle was lame. That being said this isn’t about Kadri. I think it’s going to have to be that players are responsible for being in control of their body. So even if you get bumped you have put yourself in a position that you are going to run the goalie then that’s on you. Binnington was completely in the crease and got destroyed. Nothing he could do there, so something else need to be done. It happened against tonight, Bobrovsky got blown up by Cirelli. Cirelli was bumped and possibly hooked but they still called a penalty on him. I think this is going to be the solution except maybe bumping it up to a double minor or major. It used to be that your skill player would have gotten the shit beaten out of him for this, but that not the game anymore. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dan Gilmore Posted May 24, 2022 Share Posted May 24, 2022 One problem I see with that idea is it lets the defender (in this case the guy that was trying to keep Kadri from getting the puck) completely off the hook. If the offensive player is responsible for maintaining control over his body, how can that work if another player hits him? I guess there could be an expanded crease zone where players are required to be slowing or stopping or swerving away from the net area (instead of full speed). Would still be a judgement call by the refs. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gehringer_2 Posted May 24, 2022 Share Posted May 24, 2022 (edited) 23 minutes ago, Dan Gilmore said: One problem I see with that idea is it lets the defender (in this case the guy that was trying to keep Kadri from getting the puck) completely off the hook. If the offensive player is responsible for maintaining control over his body, how can that work if another player hits him? I guess there could be an expanded crease zone where players are required to be slowing or stopping or swerving away from the net area (instead of full speed). Would still be a judgement call by the refs. I'd love to see an expanded crease. All the scrumming in front of the net is not my favorite part of hockey anyway. Edited May 24, 2022 by gehringer_2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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