2023 NFL Draft As-It-Happens

[RedRamage]

5 minutes ago, Mr.TaterSalad said:

What's wrong with saying he needs to be an Alvin Kamara like player with Karma like stats?

Nothing wrong with saying that's what you want to see. The problem arises if a person tries to start comparing offensive stats vs. defense stats for wildly different positions. And you didn't say that you were doing that or going to do that. I'm not directly contradicting you, more like, well... slightly contradicting you. Comparisons will be made, obviously. But outside of one or the other being a bust or a superstar, it's hard to argue which is or would have been a better success for each team.

If Gibbs has 50 yards less than you want, how does that compare to the number of sacks for Carter? If the receptions are 10% higher does that mean Wilson needs to have x-number of additional tackles for a loss?

[Motown Bombers]

The Eagles are in a better position to take the risk on Carter. They don't have many holes and can afford to have a bust. The Lions are on the cusp and really need players who they can't miss on. 

[CMRivdogs]

 We all know Swift is going to tweak a hamstring or come down with something like Turf Toe sometime between the start of training camp and the third pre season game. He'll miss the first six weeks of the regular season and will need about 4 additional weeks to get back in shape.

I like the guy, but he's as injury prone as the Tigers starting rotation.

[buddha]

9 minutes ago, Motown Bombers said:

Murray was a big part of their running game. They will now have to rely on others to pick up that slack. It gives them a chance to audition Swift. At first I thought Swift's cap number was larger than it was so it seemed like a way to offset the cap hit of Hopkins but Swift has little guarantees. 

i dont see why they would do that.  theyre not trying to win next year.  audition him for what?  they have his game tape.

it doesnt seem like a fit.  but who knows?

[Motor City Sonics]

23 minutes ago, Motown Bombers said:

Holmes and Campbell weren't going to draft a player who shows up to a pro day fat and out of shape. 

EXACTLY...............They want self-motivators.     This team is stacked with them.    

[RandyMarsh]

Again we also have to keep in mind Carter isn't this can't miss half a generation type prospect.

If this was any other year he would be seen as just another top 10 prospect, a guy that is talented but not the guy you lose sleep over passing up particularly with the issues he has. 

That's not to say I didnt want him but that was due to the fact that I felt he could make an immediate impact and I still feel he may have the highest upside in the draft but I also concede that he also has a high bust/disappointment chance as well. 

[Motown Bombers]

6 minutes ago, buddha said:

i dont see why they would do that.  theyre not trying to win next year.  audition him for what?  they have his game tape.

it doesnt seem like a fit.  but who knows?

Hopkins has a hard to move contract. They may have to take a player back. Someone will need to pick on the slack on the ground from missing Murray and Swift is a low cost option. It would be Swift plus a pick or two. 

[TP_Fan]

29 minutes ago, buddha said:

gibbs is not marshall faulk or deebo samuel or a work horse back.  he's an extremely fast back who can catch.  

if you wanted marshall faulk, you should have drafted bijan robinson.

Says the guy on a message board. 

[Sports_Freak]

 

[RandyMarsh]

Id love to get Hopkins but I have a hunch that the Lions are going to use one of their picks today on an outside receiver.

Reason being is that before the Gibbs pick Schefter talked about how the Lions had 5 picks coming up and that they were intending to use them to upgrade the pieces on their offense. It sounded alot to me like they want more firepower than just Gibbs.

Edited April 28, 2023 by RandyMarsh

[KL2]

3 minutes ago, Sports_Freak said:

 

Campbell was our best offensive player last year

[Motown Bombers]

I was reading the scouting report on Campbell on Walter Football and they were gushing about his pass defense. PFF had him as the highest rated pass coverage LB and yet I see people talking about him as if he is a plodder similar to Tavai. 

[buddha]

7 minutes ago, TP_Fan said:

Says the guy on a message board. 

duh.  so are you.

[Sports_Freak]

1 minute ago, Motown Bombers said:

I was reading the scouting report on Campbell on Walter Football and they were gushing about his pass defense. PFF had him as the highest rated pass coverage LB and yet I see people talking about him as if he is a plodder similar to Tavai. 

But the "experts" on a message board told me he is slow, can't rush the QB, can't cover on pass plays and can't stop the run. 😁😁

[Mr.TaterSalad]

2 minutes ago, Motown Bombers said:

I was reading the scouting report on Campbell on Walter Football and they were gushing about his pass defense. PFF had him as the highest rated pass coverage LB and yet I see people talking about him as if he is a plodder similar to Tavai. 

I read several scouting reports, which I shared last night, where they said his ability in man coverage was a weakness. I like Campbell though and wanted him in the 2nd, so I'm not that upset that they picked him.

Edited April 28, 2023 by Mr.TaterSalad

[buddha]

https://sumersports.com/the-zone/nfl-draft-proverbs/

To this point, Riske found that between the two extremes, reaches (where a team takes a player higher than their spot on the consensus board) and steals (where a team takes a player that has fallen lower than their spot on the consensus board), there is really only empirical evidence for the former. Teams that take a player higher than expected to are, in a sense, “a market of one”, bestowed with all of the statistical properties of a draft pundit being quoted by Freezing Cold Takes. On average, players that are taken ahead of their consensus position underperform.

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the odds are not with us on gibbs and , especially, campbell.

[RandyMarsh]

1 minute ago, Motown Bombers said:

I was reading the scouting report on Campbell on Walter Football and they were gushing about his pass defense. PFF had him as the highest rated pass coverage LB and yet I see people talking about him as if he is a plodder similar to Tavai. 

Not to mention he scored the highest RAS of any LB this year and I believe one of the highest in recent memory. 

Ive seen his grade as low as 87 but as high as 92. Fwiw Carter has been between 89-93 so not a massive difference. 

[buddha]

4 minutes ago, Motown Bombers said:

I was reading the scouting report on Campbell on Walter Football and they were gushing about his pass defense. PFF had him as the highest rated pass coverage LB and yet I see people talking about him as if he is a plodder similar to Tavai. 

they gave the gibbs pick an A and the liked the campbell pick too.

[Sports_Freak]

39 minutes ago, buddha said:

gibbs is not marshall faulk or deebo samuel or a work horse back.  he's an extremely fast back who can catch.  

if you wanted marshall faulk, you should have drafted bijan robinson.

Holmes has quickly built a playoff team in Detroit. But yeah, let's dismiss his expert opinion and get our opinion from social media. SMH......

[buddha]

Just now, RandyMarsh said:

Not to mention he scored the highest RAS of any LB this year and I believe one of the highest in recent memory. 

Ive seen his grade as low as 87 but as high as 92. Fwiw Carter has been between 89-93 so not a massive difference. 

the scouting report i read (yes, ON THE INTERNET), seemed to say he doesnt play up to his athletic abilities.  that he's a bit stiff, takes some time to diagnose plays, and doesnt always play up to his speed.

what does that mean?  i dont know.  im just a dude on a message board regurgitating other people's stuff.  

the problem with the campbell pick - if there is one - is where they took him.

[buddha]

1 minute ago, Sports_Freak said:

Holmes has quickly built a playoff team in Detroit. But yeah, let's dismiss his expert opinion and get our opinion from social media. SMH......

its just a message board.  relax.

and the lions arent a playoff team.  they didnt make the playoffs last year.

[Motor City Sonics]

3 minutes ago, buddha said:

https://sumersports.com/the-zone/nfl-draft-proverbs/

To this point, Riske found that between the two extremes, reaches (where a team takes a player higher than their spot on the consensus board) and steals (where a team takes a player that has fallen lower than their spot on the consensus board), there is really only empirical evidence for the former. Teams that take a player higher than expected to are, in a sense, “a market of one”, bestowed with all of the statistical properties of a draft pundit being quoted by Freezing Cold Takes. On average, players that are taken ahead of their consensus position underperform.

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the odds are not with us on gibbs and , especially, campbell.

Reaches according to who?    The guys running the Lions didn't think so.  Those are the ones that count and they know a hell of a lot more than any writer.     They got the guys they wanted.    The quickness that they have changed the momentum of this organization, I am going to trust them until they give me a reason not to trust them.  

[KL2]

5 minutes ago, Mr.TaterSalad said:

I read several scouting reports, which I shared last night, where they said his ability in man coverage was a weakness. I like Campbell though and wanted him in the 2nd, so I'm not that upset that they picked him.

Well no crap they question his ability in man...probably because Iowa runs a total of 0 plays in man defense.

[Shinzaki]

5 minutes ago, Motown Bombers said:

I was reading the scouting report on Campbell on Walter Football and they were gushing about his pass defense. PFF had him as the highest rated pass coverage LB and yet I see people talking about him as if he is a plodder similar to Tavai. 

I know...he ran a 4.65 40 at 6-5 and close to 250lbs....Tavai ran a 4.86 and was a few inches shorter

[Motown Bombers]

1 minute ago, Shinzaki said:

I know...he ran a 4.65 40 at 6-5 and close to 250lbs....Tavai ran a 4.86 and was a few inches shorter

Campbell's RAS score was one of the best over the past 30 years. Tavai was a 4.3. Holmes has pretty much said they go by GPS and don't put a lot into 40 times.