Summer 2023 Off-Season Thread

[buddha]

2 hours ago, Motor City Sonics said:

No.   No more "1 more year" from these teams.   Sick of "1 more year"  or "just have to wait".   This town is itching for ANY team to make the playoffs and win a playoff game.   When was the last time any of the four major sports teams in Detroit won a playoff game?    2016?     Enough already.  

yeah!  that will show em!

[Jason_R]

What really gets me excited as a sports fan is issuing meaningless ultimatums to my team. 

[Shinzaki]

[buddha]

the wings should sign patrick kane and trade draft picks and prospects for erik karlson so we can be the 8th seed next year.  

they need to placate the fans who are SO TIRED of not having a team make the playoffs.

pistons did that when they dealt for blake griffin and got the 8th seed and swept in round one.  but hey, at least they MADE THE PLAYOFFS!!!!!

cause that's what's important to mcs.

[gehringer_2]

8 hours ago, lordstanley said:

I like a guy who bets on himself, taking a financial risk doing so that may look foolish to many.

 

IDK, seems as much like a guy that's just in a hurry. He could have come to Wings camp, fought for a job. If he didn't make it he tears up GR for a season. If Wings aren't ready to give him astarting gig next season they would almost certainly buy out his last year and he's a free agent next yr with about $1.5M more in his bank account than he makes with SD and a year of good health on his resume.

It's fine, he can do what he wants to do, but it wasn't like he was signing his life away on a bad deal as the alternative to agreeing to void his contract.

Edited July 11, 2023 by gehringer_2

[lordstanley]

57 minutes ago, gehringer_2 said:

IDK, seems as much like a guy that's just in a hurry. He could have come to Wings camp, fought for a job. If he didn't make it he tears up GR for a season. If Wings aren't ready to give him astarting gig next season they would almost certainly buy out his last year and he's a free agent next yr with about $1.5M more in his bank account than he makes with SD and a year of good health on his resume.

It's fine, he can do what he wants to do, but it wasn't like he was signing his life away on a bad deal as the alternative to agreeing to void his contract.

True, but maybe he already knows enough about the Wings organization in GR and Detroit to think he has already cooked his goose with them and that that baggage would stop him from tearing up the AHL. 

[lordstanley]

2 hours ago, buddha said:

the wings should sign patrick kane and trade draft picks and prospects for erik karlson so we can be the 8th seed next year.  

they need to placate the fans who are SO TIRED of not having a team make the playoffs.

 

Yzerman has already done a ton this summer, even if DeBrincat is the only one I’m really excited about. Collectively, Kostin, Sprong, Compher, Gostisbehere, Holl, Reimer, Fischer and Deabrincat have the potential to improve the Wings. So no NEED to do more this offseason. But why not keep talking. If there is another smart move that Yzerman can make, go for it, don’t have to wait 12 months just because we think eight is enough. 

 

Edited July 11, 2023 by lordstanley

[Cruzer1]

What Yzerman did was make the Wings a bigger and more physical team. The two losses to the Senators really bothered him.

[Hongbit]

This roster looks now looks like a real Eastern conference playoff contender.   Should be a fun team to watch.   

[gehringer_2]

7 hours ago, lordstanley said:

True, but maybe he already knows enough about the Wings organization in GR and Detroit to think he has already cooked his goose with them and that that baggage would stop him from tearing up the AHL. 

and GR has a new coach too! I guess the simplest reading is that whether it's true or not, Zadina thinks Lalonde didn't/won't treat him fairly. It's a bit odd overall because in the one presser Yzerman seemed to go out of his way to say he liked Filip  and still thought he could be a good player. 

Whatever. The total void the deal was a better outcome for the Wings than anyone could have hoped for a month ago so Wings' fan can't complain.

Edited July 11, 2023 by gehringer_2

[Shinzaki]

3 hours ago, Cruzer1 said:

What Yzerman did was make the Wings a bigger and more physical team. The two losses to the Senators really bothered him.

Added scoring depth as well...

[lordstanley]

So all in all I like what Yzerman has done with the forwards. In goal, I wish I had more confidence in Reimer as a backup. He needs to be an upgrade on Ned so Husso doesn’t get worn out again. I like the Gostishere pickup but wish the Wings had done better than Holl, via trade if necessary. Fine with having kept both our 2023 1st round draft picks, and who the Wings picked with them,  since we used the extra 2024 1st rounder to get DeBrincat. 

A grade of B for the offseason. I’d put the over/under for 2023-2024 points by the Wings at 88. 

Edited July 11, 2023 by lordstanley

[Hongbit]

1 hour ago, lordstanley said:

So all in all I like what Yzerman has done with the forwards. In goal, I wish I had more confidence in Reimer as a backup. He needs to be an upgrade on Ned so Husso doesn’t get worn out again. I like the Gostishere pickup but wish the Wings had done better than Holl, via trade if necessary. Fine with having kept both our 2023 1st round draft picks, and who the Wings picked with them,  since we used the extra 2024 1st rounder to get DeBrincat. 

A grade of B for the offseason. I’d put the over/under for 2023-2024 points by the Wings at 88. 

Agree on Holl.  That’s the only move that I really don’t  like.   I like Husso.  He can be really good with a better crew of blue liners in front of him.  

The sneaky move that I really like is Sprong.  He seemed to always fill up the scorebook whenever I watched the Kraken last year.   Really solid bottom six forward.  

[jz68]

I don't care how much of a homer it might make me, this Wings team is a playoff team next season.  Might only be a wildcard but they're making the playoffs. 

[Shinzaki]

Perron...Larkin...DeBrincat

Ras...Compher...Raymond

Berggren...Copp...Sprong

Kostin...Veleno...Fischer

 

 

 

[RandyMarsh]

8 minutes ago, Shinzaki said:

Perron...Larkin...DeBrincat

Ras...Compher...Raymond

Berggren...Copp...Sprong

Kostin...Veleno...Fischer

 

 

 

Yeah I think that is how it will line up. It's tempting to see how pairing both Debrincat and Raymond with Larkin would work just due to the offensive upside but considering they're both smaller that may not work out plus it is probably better to spread them out anyway. 

[Motor City Sonics]

14 minutes ago, Shinzaki said:

Perron...Larkin...DeBrincat

Ras...Compher...Raymond

Berggren...Copp...Sprong

Kostin...Veleno...Fischer

 

 

 

WRONG!   You're not takin into account the fact that at least 5 of those players will have long term injuries before puck drop.  Why?   BECAUSE WE CAN'T HAVE NICE THINGS !

[gehringer_2]

21 minutes ago, RandyMarsh said:

Yeah I think that is how it will line up. It's tempting to see how pairing both Debrincat and Raymond with Larkin would work just due to the offensive upside but considering they're both smaller that may not work out plus it is probably better to spread them out anyway. 

Dont have to play the same lines against every opponent. If you are playing a team where going small won't hurt you, that's always an option - at least at home with last change.

Edited July 12, 2023 by gehringer_2

[slothfacekilla]

Wings signed Nate Danielson to his entry level deal today.  Doing it now instead of after next season allows them to slide his contract two seasons if they wish.  He would have been too old next year.  I'm am guessing he's headed back to the WHL as he's not eligible for the AHL.

[Shinzaki]

Yeah...he doesn't look ready for the NHL physically.  If his Jr team is as bad (assuming he isn't dealt by them) as they were last year....he could probably play for GR in the playoffs or maybe even get a look with the Wings if he develops a bit

[Kacie]

Departed skaters Bertuzzi, Hronek, Vrana, Erne, Suter, Oesterle, Hagg, Zadina & Sundqvist combined for 50 goals and -40 for Red Wings last season. Skaters acquired Compher, Sprong, Gostibehere, Holl & Kostin combined for 63 goals and +43 in ‘22-23.

Interesting tidbit from Pat Caputo.

[lordstanley]

32 minutes ago, Kacie said:

Departed skaters Bertuzzi, Hronek, Vrana, Erne, Suter, Oesterle, Hagg, Zadina & Sundqvist combined for 50 goals and -40 for Red Wings last season. Skaters acquired Compher, Sprong, Gostibehere, Holl & Kostin combined for 63 goals and +43 in ‘22-23.

Interesting tidbit from Pat Caputo.

i guess better than the opposite. But even if one values plus/minus, I think we’d have to adjust that guys like Compher, Sprong and Holl played on really good teams while the Wings players did not. 

[slothfacekilla]

Plus minus is a wonky stat too, but outside of Suter and maybe Erne I don't think of any of the departed Wings are very good defensively so they should get a nice boost on that end.

[sagnam]

That doesn’t include Kubalik and DeBrincat.

[gehringer_2]

The only guy they will miss from last yr’s crew is Hronek, and that’s only if he doesn’t play like me did two yrs ago.