Shinzaki Posted June 12, 2023 Share Posted June 12, 2023 I've head it said that in football...the biggest "competition gap" a player experiences is going from HS to Division 1...It seems like baseball has a larger gap even going from college to professional Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kdog Posted June 13, 2023 Share Posted June 13, 2023 (edited) Edited June 13, 2023 by kdog Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oblong Posted June 13, 2023 Share Posted June 13, 2023 reading the replies and I see a comment about the need to 'drive in runs' next. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chasfh Posted June 13, 2023 Share Posted June 13, 2023 1 hour ago, kdog said: If they can make this kind of progress with a team of schlubs, just think what they can do with actual major league-level talent. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RatkoVarda Posted June 13, 2023 Share Posted June 13, 2023 everything Harris says is probably 100% true and if Avila said these same things... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jim Cowan Posted June 13, 2023 Share Posted June 13, 2023 3 hours ago, oblong said: reading the replies and I see a comment about the need to 'drive in runs' next. Need an RBI man like Joe Carter. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kdog Posted June 13, 2023 Share Posted June 13, 2023 4 hours ago, oblong said: reading the replies and I see a comment about the need to 'drive in runs' next. A certain local podcaster(Petzold's co-host) used RBI as as defense for Baez lol. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tiger337 Posted June 13, 2023 Share Posted June 13, 2023 3 hours ago, chasfh said: If they can make this kind of progress with a team of schlubs, just think what they can do with actual major league-level talent. They are still last in the majors in runs scored per game, but I suppose 3.58 RPG is better than 3.44 RPG (2022). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chasfh Posted June 14, 2023 Share Posted June 14, 2023 2 hours ago, RatkoVarda said: everything Harris says is probably 100% true and if Avila said these same things... he wouldn't of 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chasfh Posted June 14, 2023 Share Posted June 14, 2023 12 minutes ago, Tiger337 said: They are still last in the majors in runs scored per game, but I suppose 3.58 RPG is better than 3.44 RPG (2022). That's what you get with arguably the least-talented hitters in the game. Get more talented hitters, get more runs. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mtutiger Posted June 14, 2023 Share Posted June 14, 2023 12 hours ago, kdog said: A certain local podcaster(Petzold's co-host) used RBI as as defense for Baez lol. Dude absolute rides Spencer Torkelson like a rented mule yet will hardly ever criticize, or allow criticism, of Javy. I know Javy plays a position of higher importance defensively and has played it well this year, but he's also below .600 in terms of OPS. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chasfh Posted June 14, 2023 Share Posted June 14, 2023 Javy’s got great value in the field, but he’s also getting paid to do more than just that. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bobrob2004 Posted June 14, 2023 Share Posted June 14, 2023 14 hours ago, Tiger337 said: They are still last in the majors in runs scored per game, but I suppose 3.58 RPG is better than 3.44 RPG (2022). Imagine if Oakland didn't have Brent Rooker and Ryan Noda. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gehringer_2 Posted June 16, 2023 Share Posted June 16, 2023 On 6/10/2023 at 1:33 PM, Toddwert said: What happened to Chafin staying near his farm in Ohio?…… sometimes money talks This. And just to put the cap on this discussion - I would assume that everyone read Chafin's response to Petzold during the Atlanta series but if not, he said that he would have been glad to come back to Det if their offer had been as good. Quote Chafin eventually wanted to return the Tigers, a product of an underwhelming experience in free agency, and although the two sides were in communication, president of baseball operations Scott Harris didn't make the best offer. As a result, Chafin signed with the Diamondbacks. https://www.freep.com/story/sports/mlb/tigers/2023/06/13/detroit-tigers-andrew-chafin-didnt-return-arizona-diamondbacks/70314387007/ 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tenacious D Posted June 16, 2023 Share Posted June 16, 2023 2 minutes ago, gehringer_2 said: This. And just to put the cap on this discussion - I would assume that everyone read Chafin's response to Petzold during the Atlanta series but if not, he said that he would have been glad to come back to Det if their offer had been as good. Hadn’t seen that. That was a miss by Harris, unless Chafin left out that he wanted a no-trade in his deal, which would diminish his ultimate value to the Tigers. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SoCalTiger Posted June 16, 2023 Share Posted June 16, 2023 On 6/13/2023 at 4:38 PM, kdog said: A certain local podcaster(Petzold's co-host) used RBI as as defense for Baez lol. We all know that RBI is not a solidly meaningful statistic BUT when your team is last in runs scored in baseball it stands to reason that those RBI's might..maybe..have more value than in the traditional sense. Possible ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Longgone Posted June 16, 2023 Share Posted June 16, 2023 7 hours ago, SoCalTiger said: We all know that RBI is not a solidly meaningful statistic BUT when your team is last in runs scored in baseball it stands to reason that those RBI's might..maybe..have more value than in the traditional sense. Possible ? Since creating RBI is proven not to be a skill possessed by certain players, but rather the result of circumstances, there is no reason to place more "value" on them. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chasfh Posted June 16, 2023 Share Posted June 16, 2023 9 hours ago, gehringer_2 said: This. And just to put the cap on this discussion - I would assume that everyone read Chafin's response to Petzold during the Atlanta series but if not, he said that he would have been glad to come back to Det if their offer had been as good. Chafin is making less in guaranteed money with Arizona this year than he would have with Detroit, but he is also getting a club option in 2024 versus nothing for 2024 from us, and players want the security of staying employed for as many years as possible. So he did go to Arizona for a somewhat improved deal, although he has to earn the second year with performance to avoid making less with AZ than he would have with us, so it’s not quite as simple as Arizona offered him an extra dollar, which is what the “money talks” argument implies. I’m skeptical that even that was the whole reason, though. He made such a thing about coming home to the area that it’s weird he left for a completely different part of the country to possibly make less money. I’m guessing there are additional reasons why he left beyond just the money. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RatkoVarda Posted June 16, 2023 Share Posted June 16, 2023 3 minutes ago, chasfh said: I’m guessing there are additional reasons why he left beyond just the money. he was not a numbers guy; dismissive of stats; maybe there was friction with Fetter; but he seems to be a pretty goofy, friendly guy; again, it was a bad decision to not trade him; and it was a bad decision to downgrade to Shreve to save some of Ilitch's money Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
casimir Posted June 16, 2023 Share Posted June 16, 2023 Maybe Chafin overestimated his value or the market underestimated his value, and at some point he just decided Arizona's deal was the best that he was going to get? And by deal, I'm talking the combination of salary, team, role, off field, etc, with differing weights to each of those variables, with those weights ebbing and flowing in importance throughout his free agency. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chasfh Posted June 16, 2023 Share Posted June 16, 2023 5 minutes ago, casimir said: Maybe Chafin overestimated his value or the market underestimated his value, and at some point he just decided Arizona's deal was the best that he was going to get? And by deal, I'm talking the combination of salary, team, role, off field, etc, with differing weights to each of those variables, with those weights ebbing and flowing in importance throughout his free agency. I have no doubt that Chafin did get the best potential deal he could get. He's betting on himself to earn that team option vesting, and so far it looks like he's gonna do it, so good for him. But I would also bet he bolted when he saw the changes coming in the Tiger organization that he didn't like, and if that's true, I bid him godspeed and don't let the door. If it comes to a choice between remaking the Tigers organization versus one year of good middle relief from a guy, I'll take the former all day and twice on Sunday. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tiger337 Posted June 16, 2023 Share Posted June 16, 2023 15 minutes ago, casimir said: Maybe Chafin overestimated his value or the market underestimated his value, and at some point he just decided Arizona's deal was the best that he was going to get? And by deal, I'm talking the combination of salary, team, role, off field, etc, with differing weights to each of those variables, with those weights ebbing and flowing in importance throughout his free agency. This is the likely answer. I really doubt that some of his age and salary level would forego significant money to play for the Diamiondbacks. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chasfh Posted June 16, 2023 Share Posted June 16, 2023 23 minutes ago, Tiger337 said: This is the likely answer. I really doubt that some of his age and salary level would forego significant money to play for the Diamiondbacks. He was to make more significant money playing for the Tigers this year. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tiger337 Posted June 16, 2023 Share Posted June 16, 2023 8 hours ago, SoCalTiger said: We all know that RBI is not a solidly meaningful statistic BUT when your team is last in runs scored in baseball it stands to reason that those RBI's might..maybe..have more value than in the traditional sense. Possible ? If a player is successful in a high percentage of opportunities to drive runners home, it would not be indicative of a clutch skill, but it migfht have some value in retrospect. Baez has an RBI% (RBI/runners on base) of 15.43 which is 126th in baseball. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tiger337 Posted June 16, 2023 Share Posted June 16, 2023 1 minute ago, chasfh said: He was to make more significant money playing for the Tigers this year. He might not have known that at the time of his decision to opt out. He may have underestimated his value. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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