RatkoVarda Posted July 22, 2023 Author Share Posted July 22, 2023 if you can get a young guy who fits the 2024 team better - like a RH CF or a good bat catcher - then moving him could make sense Malloy has reverse splits so he is like another lefty - Greene, Carpenter, Baddoo, Malloy, P Meadows (and sometimes McKinstry) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gehringer_2 Posted July 22, 2023 Share Posted July 22, 2023 6 minutes ago, RatkoVarda said: Malloy has reverse splits so he is like another lefty maybe early to count on that. Reverse this year yes, last year no, so either could be anomalous or maybe in the end it just means he'll average little or no split - we'd certainly take that. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SeattleMike Posted July 22, 2023 Share Posted July 22, 2023 2 hours ago, mtutiger said: I would take the fact that other contenders would trade for him as a piece of evidence that he's more real than not. A complement of sorts. In and of itself, though, it's evidence that the smart move would be to hold unless someone wanted to pay a premium for his services. He's just controllable for far too long, and his power bat from the left side, as G2 suggests, just doesn't have a lot of match for anyone coming up in the system. I just can't imagine any team making an offer for Carpenter that would make sense for the Tigers. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tenacious D Posted July 22, 2023 Share Posted July 22, 2023 Reasons to consider trading Carpenter: -He has less than 300 career MLB AB’s -He’s probably a DH -Another team over values him -We can take on a bigger contract for a better, more complete player from a team looking to cut payroll. I doubt he gets moved, but I’d be open to it if I’m Harris. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
casimir Posted July 22, 2023 Share Posted July 22, 2023 16 minutes ago, SeattleMike said: I just can't imagine any team making an offer for Carpenter that would make sense for the Tigers. Harris managed to trade away Jimenez and Soto, solo inning artists, for potential everyday players. I don’t know if Carpenter gets traded. But you never who values what and for how much. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
casimir Posted July 22, 2023 Share Posted July 22, 2023 16 minutes ago, Tenacious D said: Reasons to consider trading Carpenter: -He has less than 300 career MLB AB’s -He’s probably a DH -Another team over values him -We can take on a bigger contract for a better, more complete player from a team looking to cut payroll. I doubt he gets moved, but I’d be open to it if I’m Harris. I think the keys here are the DH only and the value that gets placed on him. Probably more the latter than the former as the Tigers should consider any deal where they think they get more (future and/or current) talent in place of (current) talent. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
romad1 Posted July 22, 2023 Share Posted July 22, 2023 Lets go get Verlander 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
casimir Posted July 22, 2023 Share Posted July 22, 2023 3 minutes ago, romad1 said: Lets go get Verlander I don’t think Ben helps the cause. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SoCalTiger Posted July 22, 2023 Share Posted July 22, 2023 1 hour ago, Tenacious D said: Reasons to consider trading Carpenter: -He has less than 300 career MLB AB’s -He’s probably a DH -Another team over values him -We can take on a bigger contract for a better, more complete player from a team looking to cut payroll. I doubt he gets moved, but I’d be open to it if I’m Harris. Agree with you. Hitting slumps. Defense is daily. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tiger337 Posted July 23, 2023 Share Posted July 23, 2023 13 hours ago, RatkoVarda said: if you can get a young guy who fits the 2024 team better - like a RH CF or a good bat catcher - then moving him could make sense Malloy has reverse splits so he is like another lefty - Greene, Carpenter, Baddoo, Malloy, P Meadows (and sometimes McKinstry) If he has reverse splits, that gives me more confidence he could play offensively everyday since RHH seem to to have better chance of learning how to hit RHP than LHH have of learning how to hit LHP. The problem for him, of course, will be finding a position. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Edman85 Posted July 24, 2023 Share Posted July 24, 2023 Be weary of those "reverse splits." 77 PA against lhp this year isn't nearly enough to come to that conclusion. And it isn't backed up by previous seasons. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tiger337 Posted July 24, 2023 Share Posted July 24, 2023 2 hours ago, Edman85 said: Be weary of those "reverse splits." 77 PA against lhp this year isn't nearly enough to come to that conclusion. And it isn't backed up by previous seasons. Agreed on the small sample size. Right-handed hitters have much less of a problem with splits than left-handed hitters, so I am not anticipating thst will continue to be an issue going forward. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
digitalpigsmuggler Posted July 24, 2023 Share Posted July 24, 2023 Astros and Rays allegedly in on Lorenzen. Not sure you are going to get more than a mid tier prospect for him. Cisnero will likely return even less than Lorenzen. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shinzaki Posted July 24, 2023 Share Posted July 24, 2023 Two teams interested is better than one...drives up the return. I know he may opt out...but I'm inclined to roll the dice on keeping Rodriguez Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LongLiveMaroth Posted July 24, 2023 Share Posted July 24, 2023 32-year-old Pierce Johnson is a good comp to 34-year-old Cisnero albeit without the saves. Colorado got a 45,40 ( or 2 40's if you go with FG) prospect for him. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chasfh Posted July 24, 2023 Share Posted July 24, 2023 On 7/22/2023 at 2:00 PM, Tenacious D said: Reasons to consider trading Carpenter: -He has less than 300 career MLB AB’s -He’s probably a DH -Another team over values him -We can take on a bigger contract for a better, more complete player from a team looking to cut payroll. I doubt he gets moved, but I’d be open to it if I’m Harris. Especially if the return includes a plus middle infielder or third baseman. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chasfh Posted July 24, 2023 Share Posted July 24, 2023 4 hours ago, digitalpigsmuggler said: Astros and Rays allegedly in on Lorenzen. Not sure you are going to get more than a mid tier prospect for him. Cisnero will likely return even less than Lorenzen. I could see packaging Cisnero and one of the starters, meaning Eduardo, to unlock a numbered prospect. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gehringer_2 Posted July 24, 2023 Share Posted July 24, 2023 4 minutes ago, chasfh said: I could see packaging Cisnero and one of the starters, meaning Eduardo, to unlock a numbered prospect. yeah - I'd rather see one big trade for maximum return on a well researched piece that's going to have an impact than the std 'let's bring in a many bodies as we can get and hope one hits" approach that we've seen fail so much. 1 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chasfh Posted July 24, 2023 Share Posted July 24, 2023 13 minutes ago, gehringer_2 said: yeah - I'd rather see one big trade for maximum return on a well researched piece that's going to have an impact than the std 'let's bring in a many bodies as we can get and hope one hits" approach that we've seen fail so much. Although in the hands of the New Boss, I’m more open to doing a deal like that, until he shows he fails at it, same as the Old Boss. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RatkoVarda Posted July 24, 2023 Author Share Posted July 24, 2023 3 hours ago, LongLiveMaroth said: 32-year-old Pierce Johnson is a good comp to 34-year-old Cisnero albeit without the saves. Colorado got a 45,40 ( or 2 40's if you go with FG) prospect for him. if that is what Johnson brought back, then Cisnero should be moved for sure 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SoCalTiger Posted July 25, 2023 Share Posted July 25, 2023 I think Harris is ok with tearing up the bullpen to solidify the lineup and as such will trade a controlled reliever, Foley-Lange- Holten , with a rental starter, Rodriguez -Lorenzen, to get a core piece and would be open to adding a minor leaguer in the deal as well. In such a scenario trading partners might give more knowing if the playoffs flop they still have assets for 2024. The hybrid Buy and sell is emerging as the new trade preference. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
casimir Posted July 25, 2023 Share Posted July 25, 2023 10 hours ago, Shinzaki said: Two teams interested is better than one...drives up the return. I know he may opt out...but I'm inclined to roll the dice on keeping Rodriguez They can always go after Rodriguez in free agency this offseason. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
casimir Posted July 25, 2023 Share Posted July 25, 2023 4 hours ago, RatkoVarda said: if that is what Johnson brought back, then Cisnero should be moved for sure I was dead set against bringing Cisnero back. I’ll gladly wear that scarlet letter if he gets traded for a useful return. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KL2 Posted July 25, 2023 Share Posted July 25, 2023 On 7/22/2023 at 4:41 PM, SoCalTiger said: Agree with you. Hitting slumps. Defense is daily. When was the last time a team won built around defense?! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tiger337 Posted July 25, 2023 Share Posted July 25, 2023 4 minutes ago, KL2 said: When was the last time a team won built around defense?! Pitching and defense often work together, so it's hard to tell. It's probably less important than it used to be with all the strikeouts now, but it still matters. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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