Longgone Posted August 3, 2023 Share Posted August 3, 2023 11 minutes ago, Tigermojo said: I don't see the point of trading Rogers. He's the second best player on the team IMO. Still under control for years. Great defense. Teammates love him. I don't get it. Likely were getting a top young catcher from the Dodgers, someone who doesn't strike out 40% of the time. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Toddwert Posted August 3, 2023 Share Posted August 3, 2023 14 minutes ago, Tigermojo said: I don't see the point of trading Rogers. He's the second best player on the team IMO. Still under control for years. Great defense. Teammates love him. I don't get it. Well he only plays one position soooo 😉 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
casimir Posted August 3, 2023 Share Posted August 3, 2023 Just now, Toddwert said: Well he only plays one position soooo 😉 Rogers is already 28 years old. He may not have a lot of MLB experience, but he’s no spring chicken either. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tiger337 Posted August 3, 2023 Share Posted August 3, 2023 It would have been more fun to talk about Rodriguez and Rogers for a big prospect haul than talking about Rodriguez opting in or out. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
casimir Posted August 3, 2023 Share Posted August 3, 2023 3 minutes ago, Tiger337 said: It would have been more fun to talk about Rodriguez and Rogers for a big prospect haul than talking about Rodriguez opting in or out. In an alternate universe, the prospect hounds are ecstatic beyond belief. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tigermojo Posted August 3, 2023 Share Posted August 3, 2023 13 minutes ago, casimir said: It depends upon what the Tigers would have received. If there’s a young MLB ready catcher coming back as part of the trade, that’d be fine. Rogers is a young MLB catcher and a pretty good one too. I know he doesn't have the fancy OBP that Harris salivates for but he's right up there in war with some of the best catchers in the game this year. He is 9th in WAR according to Fangraphs. I think there are some other positions that need addressing first before gambling on a prospect being better than Rogers. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tiger337 Posted August 3, 2023 Share Posted August 3, 2023 2 minutes ago, casimir said: In an alternate universe, the prospect hounds are ecstatic beyond belief. Harris traded our top pitcher and one of our best players for some guy hitting .179 in AA ball??? Who the **** is Carteraya??? What was he thinking??? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tigermojo Posted August 3, 2023 Share Posted August 3, 2023 17 minutes ago, Toddwert said: Well he only plays one position soooo 😉 He played one inning in left field. Versatility. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tenacious D Posted August 3, 2023 Share Posted August 3, 2023 1 minute ago, Tigermojo said: Rogers is a young MLB catcher and a pretty good one too. I know he doesn't have the fancy OBP that Harris salivates for but he's right up there in war with some of the best catchers in the game this year. He is 9th in WAR according to Fangraphs. I think there are some other positions that need addressing first before gambling on a prospect being better than Rogers. Very hard to say without knowing who would be coming back. I like Rogers, too, but he represents one of a couple of positions that could be upgraded. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tigermojo Posted August 3, 2023 Share Posted August 3, 2023 Erod vetoed the trade so Jake wouldn't get mobbed by all of those Hollywood actresses. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gehringer_2 Posted August 3, 2023 Share Posted August 3, 2023 Good Lord - if they had traded Rogers and the catcher coming back was slotted for Toledo that would have meant Haase full time? Fan agony. Talk about the best deals being the ones never made..... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lordstanley Posted August 3, 2023 Share Posted August 3, 2023 (edited) You miss 100% of the deals you don’t make. Edited August 3, 2023 by lordstanley 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
buddha Posted August 3, 2023 Share Posted August 3, 2023 8 hours ago, Tigermojo said: Rogers is a young MLB catcher and a pretty good one too. I know he doesn't have the fancy OBP that Harris salivates for but he's right up there in war with some of the best catchers in the game this year. He is 9th in WAR according to Fangraphs. I think there are some other positions that need addressing first before gambling on a prospect being better than Rogers. rogers is not young. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Edman85 Posted August 3, 2023 Share Posted August 3, 2023 Selling high on Rogers seems wise, and I could see why the Dodgers would want a second catcher. Austin Barnes appears to have fallen off the map this year. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
casimir Posted August 3, 2023 Share Posted August 3, 2023 8 hours ago, Tigermojo said: Rogers is a young MLB catcher and a pretty good one too. I know he doesn't have the fancy OBP that Harris salivates for but he's right up there in war with some of the best catchers in the game this year. He is 9th in WAR according to Fangraphs. I think there are some other positions that need addressing first before gambling on a prospect being better than Rogers. It all depends on what the return is, which, we may never know what it was. I don't know how reliable the ratings on MLB pipeline are, but the Dodgers have 6 catchers among their top 30 prospects. They are mostly younger and lower level, but there's also one at AAA. Maybe among the package are the AAA C and a younger C (as well as other prospects). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RatkoVarda Posted August 3, 2023 Author Share Posted August 3, 2023 57 minutes ago, casimir said: It all depends on what the return is, which, we may never know what it was. totally not cool, but I'd love to have someone leak the details. I'm guessing ERod + Jake would have gotten a really interesting package from LAD. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Edman85 Posted August 3, 2023 Share Posted August 3, 2023 10 hours ago, Tigermojo said: Erod vetoed the trade so Jake wouldn't get mobbed by all of those Hollywood actresses. There is one particular criteria that I require girls to meet in the wake of the past few years that I am betting Hollywood types see eye to eye with me on. Those Hollywood Actresses may be like Canada in 2021 where Jake wasn't going to be allowed to enter if he wasn't injured. I think Rogers is getting waaaaaaaaaayyyyy overrated in this thread. Anyways, came here to say Rosenthal had a good article up today and his sourcing seems to point at Mato yanking the football at the last minute. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mtutiger Posted August 3, 2023 Share Posted August 3, 2023 (edited) Rosenthal's write up was pretty fair, and with the discussion of possible three-team trade discussion, it kinda blows a hole into the hole "tunnel-vision" plot line. I do take issue with his comment about the criticism for just selling him for a lower price being less than Seidel's blistering criticism; I absolutely could see him being taken to the woodshed by the writers/fan base if he wasn't perceived as returning the kind of value that they believed ERod was worth. Edited August 3, 2023 by mtutiger Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
casimir Posted August 3, 2023 Share Posted August 3, 2023 21 minutes ago, RatkoVarda said: totally not cool, but I'd love to have someone leak the details. I'm guessing ERod + Jake would have gotten a really interesting package from LAD. I would also like to know what other 9 teams are on Rodriguez' no trade clause. I've either searched in the wrong areas or its buried within the recipe of fruitcake. 14 minutes ago, Edman85 said: Anyways, came here to say Rosenthal had a good article up today and his sourcing seems to point at Mato yanking the football at the last minute. I don't begrudge the use of the no trade clause. It just seems to me that there wasn't good faith negotiating somewhere along the way. There was a deal in place, the participants knew there was an obstacle, but it wasn't addressed until, what, 2 hours before the deadline? This doesn't sit well after last year's episode where the specific issue wasn't the fault, it was the lack of communication from Rodriguez and his agent. I guess from my position, and I understand I'm completely on the outside looking in, one of these incidents by itself is a one off. But one after the other is a bit of an eye opener. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LongLiveMaroth Posted August 3, 2023 Share Posted August 3, 2023 19 minutes ago, Edman85 said: There is one particular criteria that I require girls to meet in the wake of the past few years that I am betting Hollywood types see eye to eye with me on. Those Hollywood Actresses may be like Canada in 2021 where Jake wasn't going to be allowed to enter if he wasn't injured. I think Rogers is getting waaaaaaaaaayyyyy overrated in this thread. Anyways, came here to say Rosenthal had a good article up today and his sourcing seems to point at Mato yanking the football at the last minute. I read that this morning and yeah that seems to be the general theme to that article. I did find it interesting that GMs were complaining about the price being too high but it seems the Dodgers were willing to pay it so other than the fact E-Rod's agent or E-Rod himself messed up the deal it sounds like Harris held his ground and was going to get a deal he wanted. So in all honesty that makes me a bit more confident with him in the driver's seat even though it obviously didn't work out this time he had a price and stuck to it. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
digitalpigsmuggler Posted August 3, 2023 Share Posted August 3, 2023 So is that all there is left to do this season? discuss and argue over what deals could or should have been made at the deadline. Ugh depressing season. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jim Cowan Posted August 3, 2023 Share Posted August 3, 2023 8 hours ago, lordstanley said: You miss 100% of the deals you don’t make. Hey look, there's Meryl Streep in a baseball uniform. Unsurprisingly, he's a pretty good baseball player, having played in the Intercounty League as a teenager. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LongLiveMaroth Posted August 3, 2023 Share Posted August 3, 2023 Just now, casimir said: I would also like to know what other 9 teams are on Rodriguez' no trade clause. I've either searched in the wrong areas or its buried within the recipe of fruitcake. I don't begrudge the use of the no trade clause. It just seems to me that there wasn't good faith negotiating somewhere along the way. There was a deal in place, the participants knew there was an obstacle, but it wasn't addressed until, what, 2 hours before the deadline? This doesn't sit well after last year's episode where the specific issue wasn't the fault, it was the lack of communication from Rodriguez and his agent. I guess from my position, and I understand I'm completely on the outside looking in, one of these incidents by itself is a one off. But one after the other is a bit of an eye opener. According to the article the agent was talking to the Dodgers since Monday night and it wasn't until 1-2 hours before the deadline they decided they weren't going to accept the deal at least that is how I read it and they tried to create a 3 team deal with others to get E-Rod over to another team with other pitchers that wanted to trade. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mtutiger Posted August 3, 2023 Share Posted August 3, 2023 6 minutes ago, LongLiveMaroth said: I read that this morning and yeah that seems to be the general theme to that article. I did find it interesting that GMs were complaining about the price being too high but it seems the Dodgers were willing to pay it so other than the fact E-Rod's agent or E-Rod himself messed up the deal it sounds like Harris held his ground and was going to get a deal he wanted. So in all honesty that makes me a bit more confident with him in the driver's seat even though it obviously didn't work out this time he had a price and stuck to it. Those comments from the other GMs are sour grapes.... if even just one team is willing to pay the price, that validates the price IMO 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Edman85 Posted August 3, 2023 Share Posted August 3, 2023 14 minutes ago, mtutiger said: Rosenthal's write up was pretty fair, and with the discussion of possible three-team trade discussion, it kinda blows a hole into the hole "tunnel-vision" plot line. I do take issue with his comment about the criticism for just selling him for a lower price being less than Seidel's blistering criticism; I absolutely could see him being taken to the woodshed by the writers/fan base if he wasn't perceived as returning the kind of value that they believed ERod was worth. Yeah, I agree, but thr point wasn't really to validate that hack job front Seidel, but to just point out that he was taking arrows. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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