2023 Trade Deadline

[gehringer_2]

21 minutes ago, Tiger337 said:

The projections would take his 2022 season into account.  

well, it's true the projections would weight it, but whether that weighting reflects anything supportable is questionable. Nobody knows why a good player has a bad year or what the probability of a player making a comebacl or not is going to be. It's unwritten history and it just isn't in the existing data to tease out no matter what you do. You can make an assumption that a certain proportion of players do X after having a year like Y, but every player is such an individual story that it's still not much more than a guess when applied to the specific player. Things like individual slumps and comebacks are beyond the reach of what statisitical method can tell you very much about.

Well, I'll amend this to the degree that a player may have an 'apparent slump' - for instance a year of vary bad BaBIP luck, but he was actually the 'same' player,  in which case the prediction that will pass would be a sound one. One strenght of advanced analytics is the ability to detect that. But if the player actually played the game at a lower skill level across a season, or has an injury that may or may not heal 100% (common issue),  then not so much. 

Edited August 1, 2023 by gehringer_2

[1984Echoes]

1 hour ago, mtutiger said:

I still think that people underestimate how much Candy's lack of versatility around the diamond impacts the thinking here...

How much versatility does Spencer Torkelson have again...?

[mtutiger]

9 minutes ago, Tiger337 said:

The projections would take his 2022 season into account.  

In the context of making a non-tender decision (and knowing there were likely conversations between the Tigers and Candy's agent at the time, undoubtedly), I doubt the decision to tender or non-tender exclusively comes down to a what the projection system says.

Put another way, both sides are going to use the leverage they have in a negotiation.... and Candy's most recent season being an unmitigated disaster would undoubtedly have been a point of leverage for the Tigers.

[Tenacious D]

24 minutes ago, 1984Echoes said:

 

3) Opportunity Cost: dropping Candy means we lost a draft pick I believe. Why would we do that? Aside from getting guys back in a deadline trade, which may or may not have more value than the draft pick... why are we tossing easy money (draft pick/ traded-for players) out the door? That's a lost opportunity cost, which I think is a mistake.

 

Are you referencing a qualifying offer?  No team would ever offer him one--that's a $18M+ guaranteed contract for one season. 

[Cruzer1]

 

[Tenacious D]

4 minutes ago, 1984Echoes said:

How much versatility does Spencer Torkelson have again...?

he's also a 3B.  Weren't you paying attention to when we drafted him at that position? 🤣

[Cruzer1]

Great return!

 

[mtutiger]

1 minute ago, Cruzer1 said:

 

WOW

[Tenacious D]

1 minute ago, Cruzer1 said:

 

wow.  me likey (and I no nothing about Armbruester).

[LongLiveMaroth]

1 minute ago, Cruzer1 said:

 

That would be great but it's a fake account 😞 

[mtutiger]

2 minutes ago, Cruzer1 said:

 

It's a fake

[Shinzaki]

GTFO...that's a NICE haul

 

On edit...

 

Stupid fake people ruining my elation

Edited August 1, 2023 by Shinzaki

[Tenacious D]

grrrr

[Cruzer1]

Sorry, I should have checked. Dunbazz.

[Tigermojo]

5 minutes ago, Cruzer1 said:

 

Holy ****!

[Tenacious D]

3 minutes ago, Cruzer1 said:

Sorry, I should have checked. Dunbazz.

if there was a silver lining, it helped us forget the incessant and pointless Candelario debate for a minute.

Edited August 1, 2023 by Tenacious D

[mtutiger]

12 minutes ago, 1984Echoes said:

How much versatility does Spencer Torkelson have again...?

I wasn't aware that Spencer Torkelson was up for arbitration last year.

[KL2]

10 minutes ago, Cruzer1 said:

 

You know how i know you got duped?

[KL2]

5 minutes ago, Tigermojo said:

Holy ****!

its fake,

the real JPM has more than 110 followers

[Cruzer1]

3 minutes ago, KL2 said:

You know how i know you got duped?

I didn't even look at that. The trade looked plausible. Probably really rich.

[Tenacious D]

unfortunately, any actual trade that Harris makes will now be compared, likely unfavorably, to the haul in the fake JP Morosi account.

[1984Echoes]

7 minutes ago, mtutiger said:

I wasn't aware that Spencer Torkelson was up for arbitration last year.

But if this team is adamant about position flexibility, as you are maintaining...

Then we should trade him, right?

Because Torkelson is not position-flexible. At all.

[Longgone]

18 minutes ago, Cruzer1 said:

 

People fall for this every year.

[mtutiger]

4 minutes ago, 1984Echoes said:

But if this team is adamant about position flexibility, as you are maintaining...

Then we should trade him, right?

Because Torkelson is not position-flexible. At all.

I think Torkelson should be open for the right asking price, yes.

Riley Greene is probably the only untouchable player on the roster IMO.

[RatkoVarda]

only 2 AL teams competing for the last WC spot that have not made a deadline addition yet are ... Yankees and Red Sox.

 

Edited August 1, 2023 by RatkoVarda