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07/16/2023 4:10pm EDT Detroit Tigers vs Seattle Mariners


casimir

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I'm ok with a loss after taking the series, but Harvy has to go, it's untenable having his "bat" in the lineup if this team actually wants to contend for winning things going forward...that last at bat should get him benched. Hell, if Maton did that ****, he'd be back in Toledo tomorrow.

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1 hour ago, Adullin said:

25 million dollar bust. The catcher set up off the plate and javier baez keeps flailing away like a newborn infant 

unfortunately they don't have another SS in the system that woudn't do worse,  unless lightning strikes Kreidler and turns him into a hitter. Avila probably brought in an average of a least  4 SS hopefulls per year (at least until 2021!) between trades, the draft and international and the sum total we have to show is Wenceel still in AA and playing mostly 2B, and a very maybe guy in A ball.

Ironic - if they had just held on to Iggy they would be net ahead over the last 5 yrs, we would not have suffered through Niko and we wouldn't have Baez's contract. Thanks McCann (and probably Gardenhire).

The worst moves by GMs are often dumping players they don't like wihout obtaining a replacement they won't like even less. (Yeah, I know, Jeimer says, "Hi").

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1 hour ago, holygoat said:

Whatever, go take 3 or 4 from KC.

2 of 3 in Seattle and 3 of 4 in Kansas City would be a very successful road trip.  This is a below average baseball team on the road.  3 of 7 is probably the most reasonable outcome for a below average team on a 7 game road trip.  5 of 7 would be fantastic.  Sure, today stinks, but the feeling can be erased.

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14 minutes ago, romad1 said:

Javy seems to unplug when he loses interest.  He's like an android designed to frustrate a team's fans

$25 mill per year for a guy with a .220 BA, a .578 OPS, and a 0.4 WAR...I mean, a AAA player could at least do that for a fraction of the cost.  

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28 minutes ago, romad1 said:

Javy seems to unplug when he loses interest.  He's like an android designed to frustrate a team's fans

In hindsight (which of course is easy), they probably should have just left Javy alone - he's only gotten progressively worse for all the things they have him 'working on'. He's ended up sacrificing all his power to 'control the zone' but there has been no benefit in his OBP and definitely not in his net OPS.

That's the thing about hitting, you never know when you start out to change a guy if you aren't going to make him worse - it happens all the time.  Sometimes a player isn't doing it right because he's never had the benefit of the right coaching so for that guy you unlock improvement, but the devil is that some guys evolve into 'doing it wrong' because for them doing it wrong is the only way it works at all and if you start messing with them it's only grief. When you decide to demand a 10yr vet deconstruct his approach you better be sure you have an alternative that's going to work.

IMHO, the Tigers have had a little too much confidence in their own smarts in handling Javy. YMMV

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