Training Camp and Preseason Games

[MichiganCardinal]

1 hour ago, Tigeraholic1 said:

Fantastic seats there.

I got lucky when I upgraded. They were the only two available closer than the 20th row or so.

[Hongbit]

I had some similar seats for USC games back in the day.  I loved the view when they were in my end but hated it when the ball was on the other side of the field.   I was too low to get a good perspective of what was happening when they weren’t on my side.  I found myself watching the Jumbotron more often than not in those situations.  

[1984Echoes]

Just a guess but...

I'd put more money on the 5th string QB (Adrian Martinez - PS) making it through this season than on the 4th string QB (Sudfeld).

[MichiganCardinal]

3 minutes ago, 1984Echoes said:

Just a guess but...

I'd put more money on the 5th string QB (Adrian Martinez - PS) making it through this season than on the 4th string QB (Sudfeld).

With the new rule about emergency QBs, I would actually expect both Sudfeld and Martinez to last at least until Hooker is healthy enough that he could take snaps in case of emergency. If they start Hooker on the NFI list (which only makes sense), then he can’t play for the first eight weeks.

QB Active: Goff, Bridgewater

QB Emergency (dresses but not active unless QB1 and QB2 are injured or ejected): Sudfeld

QB Practice Squad: Martinez

NFI: Hooker

After eight weeks, if you feel more comfortable with Hooker than Sudfeld, you could release Sudfeld and activate Hooker. After the eight weeks you could also choose to start having Hooker practice, though if he’s not activated within three weeks of starting to practice he is ineligible to play for the rest of the season. I think I would just as soon let Hooker just soak it all in from the sideline for a full year though. Let him practice at some point if you’re 100% comfortable with Sudfeld as QB3.

[MichiganCardinal]

30 minutes ago, Hongbit said:

I had some similar seats for USC games back in the day.  I loved the view when they were in my end but hated it when the ball was on the other side of the field.   I was too low to get a good perspective of what was happening when they weren’t on my side.  I found myself watching the Jumbotron more often than not in those situations.  

Long term I think I’d like to add two club seats as well. Partially because they come with parking included, but also it would let me choose what kind of experience I want game to game. I can always sell or give away my other two.

Like you said, it does kind of suck to have no idea what’s going on when the ball is at the opposite end zone, but you’re so close to the action generally that it kind of makes up for it.

[Hongbit]

Sudfeld should be cut on Monday.  He’s taking up a roster spot at this point.  This guy is in his 7th year and he looks as out of place as a rookie throwing his first pass.  There’s no reason why he still has an NFL job.  

[MichiganCardinal]

18 minutes ago, Hongbit said:

Sudfeld should be cut on Monday.  He’s taking up a roster spot at this point.  This guy is in his 7th year and he looks as out of place as a rookie throwing his first pass.  There’s no reason why he still has an NFL job.  

If they like someone who gets cut, I’m definitely not opposed to replacing him, but if the standards for QB3 are finding a top-96 player at the position, you won’t find many quality players. Given that he knows the playbook and the team, he may be the best option.

If he ever came into a regular season game, something went seriously wrong. All he would be asked to do though is hand the ball off and complete short 5-15 yard routes with very few looks.

[Sports_Freak]

22 minutes ago, MichiganCardinal said:

If they like someone who gets cut, I’m definitely not opposed to replacing him, but if the standards for QB3 are finding a top-96 player at the position, you won’t find many quality players. Given that he knows the playbook and the team, he may be the best option.

If he ever came into a regular season game, something went seriously wrong. All he would be asked to do though is hand the ball off and complete short 5-15 yard routes with very few looks.

And he would have much higher quality players surrounding him. That would make a world of difference. Of course, he would be playing against better defenses....

[Hongbit]

25 minutes ago, MichiganCardinal said:

If they like someone who gets cut, I’m definitely not opposed to replacing him, but if the standards for QB3 are finding a top-96 player at the position, you won’t find many quality players. Given that he knows the playbook and the team, he may be the best option.

If he ever came into a regular season game, something went seriously wrong. All he would be asked to do though is hand the ball off and complete short 5-15 yard routes with very few looks.

I don’t view him as a top 100 QB.  I also don’t think they should carry a QB3 this year.  Better roster management to have HH go on LTIR and use the QB3 space for depth and competition at a position of need.    If JG or TB goes down they can go pick up a backup on the street when the time comes.   

Edited August 12, 2023 by Hongbit

[MichiganCardinal]

22 minutes ago, Hongbit said:

I don’t view him as a top 100 QB.  I also don’t think they should carry a QB3 this year.  Better roster management to have HH go on LTIR and use the QB3 space for depth and competition at a position of need.    If JG or TB goes down they can go pick up a backup on the street when the time comes.   

With the new rule they’re kind of incentivized to keep a 3rd QB because it effectively allows them to have 46 game day players instead of 45. Certainly if Goff and/or Teddy go down for any length of time they’ll pick up a Matt Ryan or Carson Wentz, but I think out of a break-glass-in-case-of-emergency QB, you’re really just looking for someone dirt cheap who knows the playbook and can avoid catastrophic mistakes.

I think not viewing him as top 100 is fair, but it’s so hard to compare the scrapes of the barrel. I still think he might be better than either Boyle or Blough and those are the types you’re looking at as QB3 options.

[Hongbit]

4 minutes ago, MichiganCardinal said:

With the new rule they’re kind of incentivized to keep a 3rd QB because it effectively allows them to have 46 game day players instead of 45. Certainly if Goff and/or Teddy go down for any length of time they’ll pick up a Matt Ryan or Carson Wentz, but I think out of a break-glass-in-case-of-emergency QB, you’re really just looking for someone dirt cheap who knows the playbook and can avoid catastrophic mistakes.

I think not viewing him as top 100 is fair, but it’s so hard to compare the scrapes of the barrel. I still think he might be better than either Boyle or Blough and those are the types you’re looking at as QB3 options.

As you stated, something has gone drastically wrong if QB3 ever has to come in the game.   Why bother using a roster spot on a hopeless situation.  They are better off using that spot somewhere else that matters more.   

This is a different story is you had a young development QB that you are grooming for the future.  

As for the actual player, I find Sudfeld to be worse than Boyle or Blough when they were here based on his experience.  The other guys were 1 to 3 year guys when they got here.  This is 7 for Sudfeld and he still looks completely lost.    He should be better by this point.  
 

 

[MichiganCardinal]

22 minutes ago, Hongbit said:

As you stated, something has gone drastically wrong if QB3 ever has to come in the game.   Why bother using a roster spot on a hopeless situation.  They are better off using that spot somewhere else that matters more.   

This is a different story is you had a young development QB that you are grooming for the future.  

As for the actual player, I find Sudfeld to be worse than Boyle or Blough when they were here based on his experience.  The other guys were 1 to 3 year guys when they got here.  This is 7 for Sudfeld and he still looks completely lost.    He should be better by this point.  
 

 

I guess I would counter that why would the Lions bother proposing the rule change if they didn’t see a reason to use it. It’s possible they could say that it’s only worth it in playoff games (so you aren’t the 49ers playing CMC at QB in the NFC Championship Game), but the NFL is a league that can easily be decided by one game.

I would hate to see Goff and Teddy both go into concussion protocol in week three (by mistake like ASB??), be forced to use Jack Fox (or whoever) as the QB, lose 14-9, and then miss the playoffs or lose the division by a game. It’s a remote possibility of course, but one that enough thought was worth a rule change to prevent. I don’t think keeping someone like an Obinna Eze or Trinity Benson active (but not dressed and unable to enter the game) is worth that risk.

Edited August 12, 2023 by MichiganCardinal

[MichiganCardinal]

Metrics and film are saying that Levi had a really good game, despite not having a super flashy stat line like the Okwaras.

[buddha]

40 minutes ago, MichiganCardinal said:

Metrics and film are saying that Levi had a really good game, despite not having a super flashy stat line like the Okwaras.

he looked ok in the 4th quarter of a preseason game.

[MichiganCardinal]

6 minutes ago, buddha said:

he looked ok in the 4th quarter of a preseason game.

This, along with his 89.3 PFF rating, is what I saw specifically. He is #91, the better look is on replay.

 

[buddha]

2 hours ago, MichiganCardinal said:

This, along with his 89.3 PFF rating, is what I saw specifically. He is #91, the better look is on replay.

 

he looked good.  but its the third string giants oline.  he SHOULD look good.

the entire lions d line looked good.  the linebackers looked good.  branch looked good.  

the offense was very meh.  sudfeld looked like crap.  jamo disappointed.  but its the second and third string oline so its really hard to say.

[Sports_Freak]

5 hours ago, Hongbit said:

As you stated, something has gone drastically wrong if QB3 ever has to come in the game.   Why bother using a roster spot on a hopeless situation.  They are better off using that spot somewhere else that matters more.   

This is a different story is you had a young development QB that you are grooming for the future.  

As for the actual player, I find Sudfeld to be worse than Boyle or Blough when they were here based on his experience.  The other guys were 1 to 3 year guys when they got here.  This is 7 for Sudfeld and he still looks completely lost.    He should be better by this point.  
 

 

I agree, he didn't have a good game. But a couple of points...he wasn't playing with the real team, just backups and soon to be cut players. Also, the Lions aren't showing the other teams their real playbook. But...he also played against the weakest players on the Giants defense. Even with backups in there, he should have eaten them up. But in the end, I trust Campbell and Holmes to make the right call.

[Sports_Freak]

I just found the attendance for Friday's game. Almost 49,000 for an exhibition game!! The excitement and expectations are thru the roof! 

[Tigeraholic1]

Sanchez is the perfect PS QB. With the amount of mobile QB's we will face this year having him will help the Defense to prepare and try different looks/schemes.

[NYLion]

On 8/12/2023 at 12:33 PM, Hongbit said:

Sudfeld should be cut on Monday.  He’s taking up a roster spot at this point.  This guy is in his 7th year and he looks as out of place as a rookie throwing his first pass.  There’s no reason why he still has an NFL job.  

Not saying he was great by any means but maybe I'm in the minority of thinking that he wasn't that bad.  The 1st INT he was hit as he threw it so can't really blame him for that, the 2nd INT was an awful read so he wears the goat horns for that but his stats would have looked a lot different if Jamo didn't drop that dime of a long pass, if Laporta didn't drop the 4th down pass and if Cota didn't drop that other long pass that hit him right in the hands. The stat line was poor but there's also context needed.

[Longgone]

3 hours ago, NYLion said:

 the 2nd INT was an awful read so he wears the goat horns for that 

It's hard to say, often what looks like an awful throw was actually thrown exactly where the receiver was supposed to be, but the receiver ran the wrong route, made a different read, cut the route off or screwed up the play in some other way.

[RandyMarsh]

I suspect we're going to be seeing Campbell make these type of lists alot this year. 

[slothfacekilla]

On 8/14/2023 at 7:30 AM, NYLion said:

Not saying he was great by any means but maybe I'm in the minority of thinking that he wasn't that bad.  The 1st INT he was hit as he threw it so can't really blame him for that, the 2nd INT was an awful read so he wears the goat horns for that but his stats would have looked a lot different if Jamo didn't drop that dime of a long pass, if Laporta didn't drop the 4th down pass and if Cota didn't drop that other long pass that hit him right in the hands. The stat line was poor but there's also context needed.

I'm there with you, I thought he made a couple solid throws on the run too.  He isn't great if you need him on the field to win games, but I would imagine (or hope) that he's good in a the QB room which seems to be what coaches look for in their QB3.  That's what I usually assume when these dime a dozen guys stick in the league for so long as backups.

[MichiganCardinal]

 

 

[MichiganCardinal]

I think in judging Sudfeld's performance and merits for QB3, the differences between what he's being asked to do now versus what he would be asked to do as an emergency QB has to be acknowlegded.

Here in the preseason, he's being asked to do specific things for specific reasons. They clearly wanted to involve Jamo, they wanted him to run the second-team offense, they probably wanted to look at some other specific players like Cota and Drummond, and all told they wanted him to run probably 20 specific plays.

If we kept him as QB3 and one day have to break the glass for him to enter, he would be asked to do different specific things for different specific reasons. He would likely be running an offense-lite with our first team, behind one of the NFL's best offensive lines, primarily handing the ball off and managing a very simplistic pass game as necessary, just trying to get the ball in the hands of our playmakers.

There might be some overlap between what he's doing now and what he would be doing then, but it's far from a perfect indicator. For instance, both of his interceptions came on deeper passes to Jamo (25-30 yards). They weren't good decisions on his part, but short of an end-of-game situation, he's not likely going to be asked to make those throws as a QB3 entering the game in an emergency situation.