Jump to content

2023 NCAA Football Thread


Deleterious

Recommended Posts

5 minutes ago, MichiganCardinal said:

Opens the 30-day transfer portal window. I have to imagine there will be a lot of departures. Also allows for any player who hasn't already redshirted to sit out the rest of the season and not burn this year of eligibility.

Man, how screwed are the ones who stay?   

Link to comment
Share on other sites

5 minutes ago, casimir said:

I doubt they will be champions.

The really scary thing is that to get anything close to the level of play to beat current Michigan, they will need to power up the hate machine.  With Tucker, that machine resulted in a level of thuggery that was a massive trauma for MSU. 

Link to comment
Share on other sites

41 minutes ago, romad1 said:

The really scary thing is that to get anything close to the level of play to beat current Michigan, they will need to power up the hate machine.  With Tucker, that machine resulted in a level of thuggery that was a massive trauma for MSU. 

MSU has never recruited on the level of Michigan and Ohio State, but they have managed to beat them and compete with them before.

With Dantonio, it was because he was a damn good recruiter and coach (for a while). He could find and recruit the best 3*s in the area and in the country, and coach them to beat UM and OSU's 4* and 5* athletes. With Tucker, it was because he quickly learned how to take advantage of COVID rules and got good players to transfer to MSU (mostly just Kenneth Walker). And then everyone else caught on and he was rendered to mediocrity because he isn't actually that good of a recruiter or a coach.

If you're not going to be the first to re-invent the wheel like Tucker was able to do in a global pandemic, you have to find (1) a damn good coach, (2) that is a damn good evaluator of mid-tier high school talent in the Midwest, (3) that is willing to go to MSU, with the knowledge that you're C-tier in the Midwest and B-tier in your own state... Right now, you can add in (4) that is willing to clean up this massive s*** show left by Tucker.

There are a lot more John L. Smith's out there than there are Mark Dantonio's.

Ultimately though, you don't have to hate Michigan, you just have to beat them. And that's not an easy task when they're on the ups.

Edited by MichiganCardinal
Link to comment
Share on other sites

1 hour ago, MichiganCardinal said:

MSU has never recruited on the level of Michigan and Ohio State, but they have managed to beat them and compete with them before.

With Dantonio, it was because he was a damn good recruiter and coach (for a while). He could find and recruit the best 3*s in the area and in the country, and coach them to beat UM and OSU's 4* and 5* athletes. With Tucker, it was because he quickly learned how to take advantage of COVID rules and got good players to transfer to MSU (mostly just Kenneth Walker). And then everyone else caught on and he was rendered to mediocrity because he isn't actually that good of a recruiter or a coach.

If you're not going to be the first to re-invent the wheel like Tucker was able to do in a global pandemic, you have to find (1) a damn good coach, (2) that is a damn good evaluator of mid-tier high school talent in the Midwest, (3) that is willing to go to MSU, with the knowledge that you're C-tier in the Midwest and B-tier in your own state... Right now, you can add in (4) that is willing to clean up this massive s*** show left by Tucker.

There are a lot more John L. Smith's out there than there are Mark Dantonio's.

Ultimately though, you don't have to hate Michigan, you just have to beat them. And that's not an easy task when they're on the ups.

state succeeds when michigan is down, that's the biggest reason dantonio succeeded.

michigan got harbaugh and shortly thereafter michigan was back on top.

Link to comment
Share on other sites

5 minutes ago, buddha said:

state succeeds when michigan is down, that's the biggest reason dantonio succeeded.

michigan got harbaugh and shortly thereafter michigan was back on top.

 

40 minutes ago, MichiganCardinal said:

This is definitely part of the case, but I think Dantonio deserves some amount of credit for 2013-2015.

All Michigan needs to do is slip a little bit, have a scandal, have terrible leadership in the AD and school presidency and we could have a tumble.  The gravity supports Michigan but the ability of the M front offices to get in their own way is robust.   I definitely want them to maintain standards of academics.  I do not want them to go Ivy League or devote all their energies to making cricket happen. 

Link to comment
Share on other sites

5 hours ago, romad1 said:

The really scary thing is that to get anything close to the level of play to beat current Michigan, they will need to power up the hate machine.  With Tucker, that machine resulted in a level of thuggery that was a massive trauma for MSU. 

msu was very thuggish under dantonio.  no matter how much he talked about jesus and family.

Link to comment
Share on other sites

Join the conversation

You can post now and register later. If you have an account, sign in now to post with your account.

Guest
Reply to this topic...

×   Pasted as rich text.   Paste as plain text instead

  Only 75 emoji are allowed.

×   Your link has been automatically embedded.   Display as a link instead

×   Your previous content has been restored.   Clear editor

×   You cannot paste images directly. Upload or insert images from URL.

×
×
  • Create New...