MIguy Posted September 24, 2023 Share Posted September 24, 2023 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gehringer_2 Posted September 24, 2023 Share Posted September 24, 2023 (edited) 1 hour ago, MIguy said: I don't mistake Ryan Day for the 2nd coming of Vince Lombardi, but he handed Freeman his rear last last night on the last drive. Edited September 24, 2023 by gehringer_2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deleterious Posted September 24, 2023 Author Share Posted September 24, 2023 PJ Fleck rowing the SS Overrated. Up 31-10 in the 4th quarter and they lost to Northwestern in OT. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
casimir Posted September 24, 2023 Share Posted September 24, 2023 (edited) Didn’t ND use a timeout before those 2 plays? Edited September 24, 2023 by casimir Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Motor City Sonics Posted September 26, 2023 Share Posted September 26, 2023 On 9/24/2023 at 12:44 PM, Deleterious said: PJ Fleck rowing the SS Overrated. Up 31-10 in the 4th quarter and they lost to Northwestern in OT. He'll rebound at MSU next year. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
buddha Posted September 26, 2023 Share Posted September 26, 2023 as a michigan fan, i'd be very happy if msu hired pj fleck. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MichiganCardinal Posted September 26, 2023 Share Posted September 26, 2023 His ship has sailed. Pun intended. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
romad1 Posted September 27, 2023 Share Posted September 27, 2023 Tuck going Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MichiganCardinal Posted September 27, 2023 Share Posted September 27, 2023 57 minutes ago, romad1 said: Tuck going Opens the 30-day transfer portal window. I have to imagine there will be a lot of departures. Also allows for any player who hasn't already redshirted to sit out the rest of the season and not burn this year of eligibility. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
romad1 Posted September 27, 2023 Share Posted September 27, 2023 5 minutes ago, MichiganCardinal said: Opens the 30-day transfer portal window. I have to imagine there will be a lot of departures. Also allows for any player who hasn't already redshirted to sit out the rest of the season and not burn this year of eligibility. Man, how screwed are the ones who stay? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
casimir Posted September 27, 2023 Share Posted September 27, 2023 30 minutes ago, romad1 said: Man, how screwed are the ones who stay? I doubt they will be champions. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
romad1 Posted September 27, 2023 Share Posted September 27, 2023 5 minutes ago, casimir said: I doubt they will be champions. The really scary thing is that to get anything close to the level of play to beat current Michigan, they will need to power up the hate machine. With Tucker, that machine resulted in a level of thuggery that was a massive trauma for MSU. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MichiganCardinal Posted September 27, 2023 Share Posted September 27, 2023 (edited) 41 minutes ago, romad1 said: The really scary thing is that to get anything close to the level of play to beat current Michigan, they will need to power up the hate machine. With Tucker, that machine resulted in a level of thuggery that was a massive trauma for MSU. MSU has never recruited on the level of Michigan and Ohio State, but they have managed to beat them and compete with them before. With Dantonio, it was because he was a damn good recruiter and coach (for a while). He could find and recruit the best 3*s in the area and in the country, and coach them to beat UM and OSU's 4* and 5* athletes. With Tucker, it was because he quickly learned how to take advantage of COVID rules and got good players to transfer to MSU (mostly just Kenneth Walker). And then everyone else caught on and he was rendered to mediocrity because he isn't actually that good of a recruiter or a coach. If you're not going to be the first to re-invent the wheel like Tucker was able to do in a global pandemic, you have to find (1) a damn good coach, (2) that is a damn good evaluator of mid-tier high school talent in the Midwest, (3) that is willing to go to MSU, with the knowledge that you're C-tier in the Midwest and B-tier in your own state... Right now, you can add in (4) that is willing to clean up this massive s*** show left by Tucker. There are a lot more John L. Smith's out there than there are Mark Dantonio's. Ultimately though, you don't have to hate Michigan, you just have to beat them. And that's not an easy task when they're on the ups. Edited September 27, 2023 by MichiganCardinal Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
buddha Posted September 27, 2023 Share Posted September 27, 2023 1 hour ago, MichiganCardinal said: MSU has never recruited on the level of Michigan and Ohio State, but they have managed to beat them and compete with them before. With Dantonio, it was because he was a damn good recruiter and coach (for a while). He could find and recruit the best 3*s in the area and in the country, and coach them to beat UM and OSU's 4* and 5* athletes. With Tucker, it was because he quickly learned how to take advantage of COVID rules and got good players to transfer to MSU (mostly just Kenneth Walker). And then everyone else caught on and he was rendered to mediocrity because he isn't actually that good of a recruiter or a coach. If you're not going to be the first to re-invent the wheel like Tucker was able to do in a global pandemic, you have to find (1) a damn good coach, (2) that is a damn good evaluator of mid-tier high school talent in the Midwest, (3) that is willing to go to MSU, with the knowledge that you're C-tier in the Midwest and B-tier in your own state... Right now, you can add in (4) that is willing to clean up this massive s*** show left by Tucker. There are a lot more John L. Smith's out there than there are Mark Dantonio's. Ultimately though, you don't have to hate Michigan, you just have to beat them. And that's not an easy task when they're on the ups. state succeeds when michigan is down, that's the biggest reason dantonio succeeded. michigan got harbaugh and shortly thereafter michigan was back on top. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MichiganCardinal Posted September 27, 2023 Share Posted September 27, 2023 21 minutes ago, buddha said: state succeeds when michigan is down, that's the biggest reason dantonio succeeded. michigan got harbaugh and shortly thereafter michigan was back on top. This is definitely part of the case, but I think Dantonio deserves some amount of credit for 2013-2015. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
buddha Posted September 27, 2023 Share Posted September 27, 2023 5 minutes ago, MichiganCardinal said: This is definitely part of the case, but I think Dantonio deserves some amount of credit for 2013-2015. dantonio - despite being a complete moral fraud - was a good football coach. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
romad1 Posted September 27, 2023 Share Posted September 27, 2023 5 minutes ago, buddha said: state succeeds when michigan is down, that's the biggest reason dantonio succeeded. michigan got harbaugh and shortly thereafter michigan was back on top. 40 minutes ago, MichiganCardinal said: This is definitely part of the case, but I think Dantonio deserves some amount of credit for 2013-2015. All Michigan needs to do is slip a little bit, have a scandal, have terrible leadership in the AD and school presidency and we could have a tumble. The gravity supports Michigan but the ability of the M front offices to get in their own way is robust. I definitely want them to maintain standards of academics. I do not want them to go Ivy League or devote all their energies to making cricket happen. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MIguy Posted September 27, 2023 Share Posted September 27, 2023 Even if a kid decides to stay, if I were a freshman, I would absolutely sit out the rest of the season to keep my red shirt. Why burn a year of eligibility on this dumpster fire? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hongbit Posted September 27, 2023 Share Posted September 27, 2023 How much money is there for the next coach? MSU’s largest benefactor leveraged more than half his wealth to buy the Phoenix Suns. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gehringer_2 Posted September 28, 2023 Share Posted September 28, 2023 49 minutes ago, MIguy said: Even if a kid decides to stay, if I were a freshman, I would absolutely sit out the rest of the season to keep my red shirt. Is that the player's choice? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MIguy Posted September 28, 2023 Share Posted September 28, 2023 1 minute ago, gehringer_2 said: Is that the player's choice? I actually have no idea. The way they were talking about it on 97.1 I got the impression it was up to the player but I have no idea what would happen if the coach told them no. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
buddha Posted September 28, 2023 Share Posted September 28, 2023 5 hours ago, romad1 said: The really scary thing is that to get anything close to the level of play to beat current Michigan, they will need to power up the hate machine. With Tucker, that machine resulted in a level of thuggery that was a massive trauma for MSU. msu was very thuggish under dantonio. no matter how much he talked about jesus and family. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
romad1 Posted September 28, 2023 Share Posted September 28, 2023 1 hour ago, buddha said: msu was very thuggish under dantonio. no matter how much he talked about jesus and family. Oh for real. The entire thing about the stake in their turf and knocking Devin Bush over. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gehringer_2 Posted September 29, 2023 Share Posted September 29, 2023 Let the extortion begin Quote Fired Spartans football coach Mel Tucker informed Michigan State University on Thursday he is preparing to file a potential wrongful termination lawsuit against the school. https://www.espn.com/college-football/story/_/id/38514196/mel-tucker-tells-msu-file-wrongful-termination-lawsuit Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MichiganCardinal Posted September 29, 2023 Share Posted September 29, 2023 I think Narduzzi is the guy I would want if I was a Spartan. Has built a defense everywhere he’s been. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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