2023 NCAA Football Thread

[MIguy]

 

[gehringer_2]

1 hour ago, MIguy said:

 

I don't mistake Ryan Day for the 2nd coming of Vince Lombardi, but he handed Freeman his rear last last night on the last drive.

Edited September 24, 2023 by gehringer_2

[Deleterious]

PJ Fleck rowing the SS Overrated.  

Up 31-10 in the 4th quarter and they lost to Northwestern in OT.  

[casimir]

Didn’t ND use a timeout before those 2 plays?

Edited September 24, 2023 by casimir

[Motor City Sonics]

On 9/24/2023 at 12:44 PM, Deleterious said:

PJ Fleck rowing the SS Overrated.  

Up 31-10 in the 4th quarter and they lost to Northwestern in OT.  

He'll rebound at MSU next year. 

[buddha]

as a michigan fan, i'd be very happy if msu hired pj fleck.

[MichiganCardinal]

His ship has sailed. Pun intended.

[romad1]

Tuck going

[MichiganCardinal]

57 minutes ago, romad1 said:

Tuck going

Opens the 30-day transfer portal window. I have to imagine there will be a lot of departures. Also allows for any player who hasn't already redshirted to sit out the rest of the season and not burn this year of eligibility.

[romad1]

5 minutes ago, MichiganCardinal said:

Opens the 30-day transfer portal window. I have to imagine there will be a lot of departures. Also allows for any player who hasn't already redshirted to sit out the rest of the season and not burn this year of eligibility.

Man, how screwed are the ones who stay?   

[casimir]

30 minutes ago, romad1 said:

Man, how screwed are the ones who stay?   

I doubt they will be champions.

[romad1]

5 minutes ago, casimir said:

I doubt they will be champions.

The really scary thing is that to get anything close to the level of play to beat current Michigan, they will need to power up the hate machine.  With Tucker, that machine resulted in a level of thuggery that was a massive trauma for MSU. 

[MichiganCardinal]

41 minutes ago, romad1 said:

The really scary thing is that to get anything close to the level of play to beat current Michigan, they will need to power up the hate machine.  With Tucker, that machine resulted in a level of thuggery that was a massive trauma for MSU. 

MSU has never recruited on the level of Michigan and Ohio State, but they have managed to beat them and compete with them before.

With Dantonio, it was because he was a damn good recruiter and coach (for a while). He could find and recruit the best 3*s in the area and in the country, and coach them to beat UM and OSU's 4* and 5* athletes. With Tucker, it was because he quickly learned how to take advantage of COVID rules and got good players to transfer to MSU (mostly just Kenneth Walker). And then everyone else caught on and he was rendered to mediocrity because he isn't actually that good of a recruiter or a coach.

If you're not going to be the first to re-invent the wheel like Tucker was able to do in a global pandemic, you have to find (1) a damn good coach, (2) that is a damn good evaluator of mid-tier high school talent in the Midwest, (3) that is willing to go to MSU, with the knowledge that you're C-tier in the Midwest and B-tier in your own state... Right now, you can add in (4) that is willing to clean up this massive s*** show left by Tucker.

There are a lot more John L. Smith's out there than there are Mark Dantonio's.

Ultimately though, you don't have to hate Michigan, you just have to beat them. And that's not an easy task when they're on the ups.

Edited September 27, 2023 by MichiganCardinal

[buddha]

1 hour ago, MichiganCardinal said:

MSU has never recruited on the level of Michigan and Ohio State, but they have managed to beat them and compete with them before.

With Dantonio, it was because he was a damn good recruiter and coach (for a while). He could find and recruit the best 3*s in the area and in the country, and coach them to beat UM and OSU's 4* and 5* athletes. With Tucker, it was because he quickly learned how to take advantage of COVID rules and got good players to transfer to MSU (mostly just Kenneth Walker). And then everyone else caught on and he was rendered to mediocrity because he isn't actually that good of a recruiter or a coach.

If you're not going to be the first to re-invent the wheel like Tucker was able to do in a global pandemic, you have to find (1) a damn good coach, (2) that is a damn good evaluator of mid-tier high school talent in the Midwest, (3) that is willing to go to MSU, with the knowledge that you're C-tier in the Midwest and B-tier in your own state... Right now, you can add in (4) that is willing to clean up this massive s*** show left by Tucker.

There are a lot more John L. Smith's out there than there are Mark Dantonio's.

Ultimately though, you don't have to hate Michigan, you just have to beat them. And that's not an easy task when they're on the ups.

state succeeds when michigan is down, that's the biggest reason dantonio succeeded.

michigan got harbaugh and shortly thereafter michigan was back on top.

[MichiganCardinal]

21 minutes ago, buddha said:

state succeeds when michigan is down, that's the biggest reason dantonio succeeded.

michigan got harbaugh and shortly thereafter michigan was back on top.

This is definitely part of the case, but I think Dantonio deserves some amount of credit for 2013-2015.

[buddha]

5 minutes ago, MichiganCardinal said:

This is definitely part of the case, but I think Dantonio deserves some amount of credit for 2013-2015.

dantonio - despite being a complete moral fraud - was a good football coach.

[romad1]

5 minutes ago, buddha said:

state succeeds when michigan is down, that's the biggest reason dantonio succeeded.

michigan got harbaugh and shortly thereafter michigan was back on top.

 

40 minutes ago, MichiganCardinal said:

This is definitely part of the case, but I think Dantonio deserves some amount of credit for 2013-2015.

All Michigan needs to do is slip a little bit, have a scandal, have terrible leadership in the AD and school presidency and we could have a tumble.  The gravity supports Michigan but the ability of the M front offices to get in their own way is robust.   I definitely want them to maintain standards of academics.  I do not want them to go Ivy League or devote all their energies to making cricket happen. 

[MIguy]

Even if a kid decides to stay, if I were a freshman, I would absolutely sit out the rest of the season to keep my red shirt.  Why burn a year of eligibility on this dumpster fire?  

[Hongbit]

How much money is there for the next coach?  MSU’s largest benefactor leveraged more than half his wealth to buy the Phoenix Suns.   

[gehringer_2]

49 minutes ago, MIguy said:

Even if a kid decides to stay, if I were a freshman, I would absolutely sit out the rest of the season to keep my red shirt. 

Is that the player's choice?

[MIguy]

1 minute ago, gehringer_2 said:

Is that the player's choice?

I actually have no idea.  The way they were talking about it on 97.1 I got the impression it was up to the player but I have no idea what would happen if the coach told them no.  

[buddha]

5 hours ago, romad1 said:

The really scary thing is that to get anything close to the level of play to beat current Michigan, they will need to power up the hate machine.  With Tucker, that machine resulted in a level of thuggery that was a massive trauma for MSU. 

msu was very thuggish under dantonio.  no matter how much he talked about jesus and family.

[romad1]

1 hour ago, buddha said:

msu was very thuggish under dantonio.  no matter how much he talked about jesus and family.

Oh for real.  The entire thing about the stake in their turf and knocking Devin Bush over. 

[gehringer_2]

Let the extortion begin

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Fired Spartans football coach Mel Tucker informed Michigan State University on Thursday he is preparing to file a potential wrongful termination lawsuit against the school.

https://www.espn.com/college-football/story/_/id/38514196/mel-tucker-tells-msu-file-wrongful-termination-lawsuit

[MichiganCardinal]

I think Narduzzi is the guy I would want if I was a Spartan. Has built a defense everywhere he’s been.