Lions at Rams - Goff's Revenge

[gehringer_2]

2 hours ago, CMRivdogs said:

When was the last time Ohio State produced a successful NFL QB?

LOL - I have no idea if  Fields will make it in the end but I remember being chastised before the draft for suggesting OSU QBs were a risk as everything at OSU was different today. I guess we'll see. 

[Hongbit]

Goff is playing as poor as I’ve ever seen a Lion QB.  
 

No ability to avoid the rush, careless decisions where to throw,  doesn’t protect the ball and fumbles easily , and absolutely no ability to look down the field.  All he does is checkdown.   They call PI on every other play in this league but Goff can’t even get the ball downfield to give them a chance at a cheap flag.  
 

He’s absolutely among the worst QB’s in the NFL and will most likely be out of football when his Lion contact is finished.  

[Motown Bombers]

 

[RedRamage]

46 minutes ago, Hongbit said:

Goff is playing as poor as I’ve ever seen a Lion QB.  
 

No ability to avoid the rush, careless decisions where to throw,  doesn’t protect the ball and fumbles easily , and absolutely no ability to look down the field.  All he does is checkdown.   They call PI on every other play in this league but Goff can’t even get the ball downfield to give them a chance at a cheap flag.  
 

He’s absolutely among the worst QB’s in the NFL and will most likely be out of football when his Lion contact is finished.  

I think it's far to say that some of that is on the super weak WR crew... part of it.  A lot of it is still on Goff... most of it. 

[RedRamage]

9 minutes ago, Motown Bombers said:

 

Eh... Not to take away from Brady's amazingness... but honestly that list is of older era QBs when the pass wasn't as all important as it is now.  Comparing Brady to some more modern era guy and while still impressive isn't as "shocking."
 

Rodgers: 447, Favre: 508, Manning: 539, Brees: 571... in fact the first person on this list, Elway, is ranked 13th on the TD all time leader list.

All that said, I am surprised at how much higher Brady is than the great Kyle Orton.  I suspect that the NFL will be breaking into coverage in other games when Brady is close to TD number 607... there by passing Orton by more than 6x as much.

[RedRamage]

Trivia question based on career TDs... Who is the QB who's thrown the most TDs for the Lions and only for the Lions?  That is, he didn't throw a TD for any team other than the Lions.  (This means Stafford isn't qualified obviously because he's thrown a TD for another team. )

[buddha]

13 minutes ago, RedRamage said:

Trivia question based on career TDs... Who is the QB who's thrown the most TDs for the Lions and only for the Lions?  That is, he didn't throw a TD for any team other than the Lions.  (This means Stafford isn't qualified obviously because he's thrown a TD for another team. )

eric hipple?

[RedRamage]

43 minutes ago, buddha said:

eric hipple?

Did you look it up or was that just a guess?  You are correct either way.

[gehringer_2]

28 minutes ago, RedRamage said:

Did you look it up or was that just a guess?  You are correct either way.

I was thinking Greg Landry - I had thought he was done when he left Det. But he did throw 17 TDs for Baltimore (while winning only 3 games) and one for da Bears before he hung up his high tops.

[gehringer_2]

1 hour ago, RedRamage said:

Eh... Not to take away from Brady's amazingness... but honestly that list is of older era QBs when the pass wasn't as all important as it is now.  Comparing Brady to some more modern era guy and while still impressive isn't as "shocking."
 

Rodgers: 447, Favre: 508, Manning: 539, Brees: 571... in fact the first person on this list, Elway, is ranked 13th on the TD all time leader list.

All that said, I am surprised at how much higher Brady is than the great Kyle Orton.  I suspect that the NFL will be breaking into coverage in other games when Brady is close to TD number 607... there by passing Orton by more than 6x as much.

only two guys in the top 20 who hung them up before 1990 - Fran Tarkington and Johnny U. And Tarkington wasn't even really that successful win/loss wise.

[RandyMarsh]

2 hours ago, RedRamage said:

Eh... Not to take away from Brady's amazingness... but honestly that list is of older era QBs when the pass wasn't as all important as it is now.  Comparing Brady to some more modern era guy and while still impressive isn't as "shocking."
 

Rodgers: 447, Favre: 508, Manning: 539, Brees: 571... in fact the first person on this list, Elway, is ranked 13th on the TD all time leader list.

All that said, I am surprised at how much higher Brady is than the great Kyle Orton.  I suspect that the NFL will be breaking into coverage in other games when Brady is close to TD number 607... there by passing Orton by more than 6x as much.

Yeah the game was different even 15 years ago much less 30 or 40. Not only is there more emphasis on passing there are just more rules to make it harder for defenders. 

It was much harder for a receiver to get open back in the day due to how lenient the dbs were allowed to play, not the case anymore. And all this doesnt even take into account how much more protected QBs are which makes their life even easier. 

[buddha]

1 hour ago, RedRamage said:

Did you look it up or was that just a guess?  You are correct either way.

my first thought was danielson, but then checked and saw he played for the browns.  then i guessed at the nipple!

[KL2]

5 hours ago, Motown Bombers said:

 

Why the F is Orton on the list?

[Motor City Sonics]

18 hours ago, CMRivdogs said:

When was the last time Ohio State produced a successful NFL QB?

Art Schlic................Oh, never mind. 

[Motor City Sonics]

The Jets just acquired Joe Flacco because they let their rookie QB get destroyed again. 

Why can't the Lions pick up a better backup?    They need to win a game.   Fine if they get a #1 or #2 pick, but they need a win badly.  Having someone you could turn to when Goff is being Goff or even having someone that might challenge him even a little bit could help get that win.  

[Motown Bombers]

13 hours ago, RedRamage said:

Eh... Not to take away from Brady's amazingness... but honestly that list is of older era QBs when the pass wasn't as all important as it is now.  Comparing Brady to some more modern era guy and while still impressive isn't as "shocking."
 

Rodgers: 447, Favre: 508, Manning: 539, Brees: 571... in fact the first person on this list, Elway, is ranked 13th on the TD all time leader list.

All that said, I am surprised at how much higher Brady is than the great Kyle Orton.  I suspect that the NFL will be breaking into coverage in other games when Brady is close to TD number 607... there by passing Orton by more than 6x as much.

I only posted it because it listed Kyle Orton as a legend. I chuckled a bit at that. 

[Motown Bombers]

31 minutes ago, Motor City Sonics said:

The Jets just acquired Joe Flacco because they let their rookie QB get destroyed again. 

Why can't the Lions pick up a better backup?    They need to win a game.   Fine if they get a #1 or #2 pick, but they need a win badly.  Having someone you could turn to when Goff is being Goff or even having someone that might challenge him even a little bit could help get that win.  

I wouldn't trade draft capital for a backup and Joe Flacco isn't any better than Goff. 

[buddha]

1 hour ago, Motor City Sonics said:

The Jets just acquired Joe Flacco because they let their rookie QB get destroyed again. 

Why can't the Lions pick up a better backup?    They need to win a game.   Fine if they get a #1 or #2 pick, but they need a win badly.  Having someone you could turn to when Goff is being Goff or even having someone that might challenge him even a little bit could help get that win.  

david blough is better than joe flacco.  not sure why you need a "better" backup.  

you want to spend money on chase daniels again?  how did that go?

i mean, if the idea is just to have better players on the roster than sure, but spending money on backup qbs will leave you weaker at depth at other positions.  

the bears have fields, foles, and dalton.  with foles and dalton both making like $10 million.  is that what you want?

[Mr.TaterSalad]

I think the Jets were dumb to trade anything for the corpse of Joe Flacco. He adds no value whatsoever to a team that is going nowhere and needs to maximize their draft capital. I'm glad this regime has not panicked and looked to add another QB to the roster via a trade. The Trinity Benson trade was worthless enough, we don't need to be surrendering anymore draft picks for a player who will provide no impact whatsoever on a lost season.

[Motown Bombers]

The Jets could have probably signed Cam Newton if they were just looking for a temporary backup. 

[Mr.TaterSalad]

1 hour ago, Motown Bombers said:

The Jets could have probably signed Cam Newton if they were just looking for a temporary backup. 

Or Colin Kapernick. But yeah. it was a pointless trade for them and it would be pointless for the Lions to try and bring someone in to push Goff at this point.

[buddha]

3 hours ago, Mr.TaterSalad said:

Or Colin Kapernick. But yeah. it was a pointless trade for them and it would be pointless for the Lions to try and bring someone in to push Goff at this point.

colin kapernick wasnt all that great and hasnt played football in about 4 years.  i know you want to make a political statement, but if youre an nfl gm, why would you sign him?

[djhutch]

I am not trying to be a Goff apologist - but I wonder how much of his struggle is also based in a WR group that is so bad? Granted he's even missed them when they're open, but there could be a lot of wrong routes being run too.

[Mr.TaterSalad]

3 minutes ago, djhutch said:

I am not trying to be a Goff apologist - but I wonder how much of his struggle is also based in a WR group that is so bad? Granted he's even missed them when they're open, but there could be a lot of wrong routes being run too.

He's got Hockenson to throw to and lately he doesn't even seem to be going to him much. He's become a Checkdown Charlie and worse yet, he's not even good at the checkdown play calls.

[Motown Bombers]

1 minute ago, Mr.TaterSalad said:

He's got Hockenson to throw to and lately he doesn't even seem to be going to him much. He's become a Checkdown Charlie and worse yet, he's not even good at the checkdown play calls.

Probably because teams are doubling Hockenson since he's the only legit receiver they have.