08/17/2023 7:15pm EDT Detroit Tigers vs Cleveland Guardians

[casimir]

  

Detroit Tigers vs Cleveland Guardians

Watch:  National - FOX
Listen:  Guardians - WTAM 1100, WMMS 100.7, Guardians Radio Network, Tigers - 97.1 The Ticket

[oblong]

The good news is the bandbox should help Tork get a few more dingers.

The bad news is the bandbox should help Cleveland get a few more dingers.

 

[casimir]

3 minutes ago, oblong said:

The good news is the bandbox should help Tork get a few more dingers.

The bad news is the bandbox should help Cleveland get a few more dingers.

 

Every time Torkelson gets into a heater, I think, OK, here he goes.  And then the ensuing slump seemingly ends up not being a higher floor than before.  Hopefully this is where he becomes more consistent as a hitter.  Hopefully we're seeing another phase of the maturation process.

As for Cleveland's bandbox, this is kind of interesting:

[gehringer_2]

21 minutes ago, casimir said:

Every time Torkelson gets into a heater, I think, OK, here he goes.  And then the ensuing slump seemingly ends up not being a higher floor than before.  Hopefully this is where he becomes more consistent as a hitter.  Hopefully we're seeing another phase of the maturation process.

As for Cleveland's bandbox, this is kind of interesting:

I do think Tork has to learn how to play every day in a long season. I think he is a guy that carries himself with so much confidence that his coaches don't realize he is probably still getting run down. And I hope he does not get too greedy. At some I think he can be a better OBP hitter if  he'd be more willing to take fastballs to right field. He has the talent, you see it on occasion but he doesn't commit to it with any regularity because he's having too much fun pulling the ball ---- for now.

[kdog]

I'm not crazy..my anecdotal observation on Tork's home/road slugging splits are accurate:

Home or Away

https://www.baseball-reference.com/players/split.fcgi?id=torkesp01&year=2023&t=b

Split	G	GS	PA	AB	R	H	2B	3B	HR	RBI	SB	CS	BB	SO	BA	OBP	SLG	OPS	TB	GDP	HBP	SH	SF	IBB	ROE	BAbip	tOPS+	sOPS+
Home	58	58	245	212	26	45	12	1	6	24	1	0	28	62	.212	.310	.363	.673	77	4	3	0	2	0	2	.267	85	81
Away	60	60	260	236	35	58	13	0	15	42	1	0	20	61	.246	.308	.492	.799	116	7	2	0	2	1	0	.265	114	1

 

He hits more grounders on the road and more fly balls at home?

Season	Home / Away	GB/FB	LD%	GB%	FB%	IFFB%	HR/FB	IFH%	BUH%	Pull%	Cent%	Oppo%	Soft%	Med%	Hard%	Pitches	Balls	Strikes
2023	Home	0.55	22.4%	27.6%	50.0%	14.5%	7.9%	7.1%	0.0%	46.7%	30.3%	23.0%	18.4%	49.3%	32.2%	1029	385	644
2023	Away	0.86	20.3%	36.7%	42.9%	13.2%	19.7%	7.7%	0.0%	47.5%	28.2%	24.3%	13.6%	39.0%	47.5%	1047	377	670

Edited August 17, 2023 by kdog

[gehringer_2]

17 minutes ago, kdog said:

I'm not crazy..my anecdotal observation on Tork's home/road slugging splits are accurate:

Home or Away

https://www.baseball-reference.com/players/split.fcgi?id=torkesp01&year=2023&t=b

Split	G	GS	PA	AB	R	H	2B	3B	HR	RBI	SB	CS	BB	SO	BA	OBP	SLG	OPS	TB	GDP	HBP	SH	SF	IBB	ROE	BAbip	tOPS+	sOPS+
Home	58	58	245	212	26	45	12	1	6	24	1	0	28	62	.212	.310	.363	.673	77	4	3	0	2	0	2	.267	85	81
Away	60	60	260	236	35	58	13	0	15	42	1	0	20	61	.246	.308	.492	.799	116	7	2	0	2	1	0	.265	114	1

Copa might have him over-swinging - it does that so some guys.

But other peripherals like K rate, walks and doubles argue the other way. So it could also just be half a dozen warning track shots that didn't clear the fence at COPA. It  has not been a hot Summer in Det. COPAs HR park factor this season is 91 so far. Carpenter has a big Home/Away HR split as well. Then again, and conversely, Jake has hit most of his at home. No-one else on the team with enough to mean much.

 

Edited August 17, 2023 by gehringer_2

[Jim Cowan]

Lynn Henning knows why.

[Sports_Freak]

A DH on Friday, Saturday or Sunday? This game may not be played. I wouldn't start Skubal just to see heavy rain by the 3rd or 4th inning. Cleveland sucks...

[gehringer_2]

37 minutes ago, Sports_Freak said:

A DH on Friday, Saturday or Sunday? This game may not be played. I wouldn't start Skubal just to see heavy rain by the 3rd or 4th inning. Cleveland sucks...

Weather Underground future radar projection has the rain starting at 6:30 in Cleveland at moving out by 9:45.  Not too promising. On the other hand it looks like some of that could be light - almost drizzle.

I agree though - if they try to start it, maybe start Brieske or Holton and hold Skubal for the inevitable resumption.

Edited August 17, 2023 by gehringer_2

[Sports_Freak]

47 minutes ago, gehringer_2 said:

Weather Underground future radar projection has the rain starting at 6:30 in Cleveland at moving out by 9:45.  Not too promising. On the other hand it looks like some of that could be light - almost drizzle.

I agree though - if they try to start it, maybe start Brieske or Holton and hold Skubal for the inevitable resumption.

I bet it will end up being called. Nice Cleveland weather for the entire weekend. Considering it's.....Cleveland. Yuk...Cleveland.

[casimir]

1 hour ago, Sports_Freak said:

A DH on Friday, Saturday or Sunday? This game may not be played. I wouldn't start Skubal just to see heavy rain by the 3rd or 4th inning. Cleveland sucks...

 

57 minutes ago, gehringer_2 said:

Weather Underground future radar projection has the rain starting at 6:30 in Cleveland at moving out by 9:45.  Not too promising. On the other hand it looks like some of that could be light - almost drizzle.

I agree though - if they try to start it, maybe start Brieske or Holton and hold Skubal for the inevitable resumption.

Start Shorty.  Why do I have to come up with all of the good ideas?

[casimir]

3 hours ago, kdog said:

I'm not crazy..my anecdotal observation on Tork's home/road slugging splits are accurate:

Home or Away

https://www.baseball-reference.com/players/split.fcgi?id=torkesp01&year=2023&t=b

Split	G	GS	PA	AB	R	H	2B	3B	HR	RBI	SB	CS	BB	SO	BA	OBP	SLG	OPS	TB	GDP	HBP	SH	SF	IBB	ROE	BAbip	tOPS+	sOPS+
Home	58	58	245	212	26	45	12	1	6	24	1	0	28	62	.212	.310	.363	.673	77	4	3	0	2	0	2	.267	85	81
Away	60	60	260	236	35	58	13	0	15	42	1	0	20	61	.246	.308	.492	.799	116	7	2	0	2	1	0	.265	114	1

 

He hits more grounders on the road and more fly balls at home?

Season	Home / Away	GB/FB	LD%	GB%	FB%	IFFB%	HR/FB	IFH%	BUH%	Pull%	Cent%	Oppo%	Soft%	Med%	Hard%	Pitches	Balls	Strikes
2023	Home	0.55	22.4%	27.6%	50.0%	14.5%	7.9%	7.1%	0.0%	46.7%	30.3%	23.0%	18.4%	49.3%	32.2%	1029	385	644
2023	Away	0.86	20.3%	36.7%	42.9%	13.2%	19.7%	7.7%	0.0%	47.5%	28.2%	24.3%	13.6%	39.0%	47.5%	1047	377	670

That’s interesting.  BABIP is virtually the same at home (.265) and on the road (.267).

[casimir]

Officially PPD.  I guess Short wasn’t fully rested to take the bump tonight.

Traditional day/night doubleheader tomorrow starting at 4:10p according to the MLB schedule.

Edited August 17, 2023 by casimir

[Toddwert]

Probably a good idea looks like waves of rain heading to Cleveland 

[gehringer_2]

25 minutes ago, casimir said:

 

Start Shorty.  Why do I have to come up with all of the good ideas?

Because you read Elmore Leonard?

[lordstanley]

18 minutes ago, casimir said:

Officially PPD.  I guess Short wasn’t fully rested to take the bump tonight.

Traditional day/night doubleheader tomorrow starting at 4:10p according to the MLB schedule.

Isn’t that a traditional doubleheader?

With a day:night being something like 1pm and 7pm starts for the two games?

[casimir]

14 minutes ago, lordstanley said:

Isn’t that a traditional doubleheader?

With a day:night being something like 1pm and 7pm starts for the two games?

Yes.  I think I was thinking “twinight” doubleheader.  Or was it “twilight”?

Aw, screw it, win them both tomorrow.

[Dave Christian]

9 minutes ago, casimir said:

Yes.  I think I was thinking “twinight” doubleheader.  Or was it “twilight”?

Aw, screw it, win them both tomorrow.

I seem to remember twinight double header🤔

[Sports_Freak]

52 minutes ago, gehringer_2 said:

Because you read Elmore Leonard?

The book was great. The movie? Not so much.....(Get Shorty)

[lordstanley]

3 hours ago, Dave Christian said:

I seem to remember twinight double header🤔

I grew up about 60-75 minutes from Tiger Stadium depending on bridge and rush hour traffic, so a perfect summer night when 17 would be to listen to the first two innings of game 1 at home while eating a pre-game meal, have Ernie & Paul's broadcast of innings 3-7 accompany me on my drive, get into my seats for the 8th and 9th innings of Game 1, head to the concessions between games, then relax and enjoy game 2 in full.