casimir Posted August 25, 2023 Share Posted August 25, 2023 Houston Astros vs Detroit Tigers Watch: Tigers - Bally Sports Detroit, Astros - ATT SportsNet-SW Listen: Tigers - WWJ 950, WXYT 1270, Astros - KBME 790 AM/94.5 FM HD-2, TUDN 93.3 / KLAT 1010 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tiger337 Posted August 25, 2023 Share Posted August 25, 2023 (edited) Mike Ivie was kind of a sad story. He was the first pick of the draft in 1970 and had a hard time dealing with the pressure. He had some good years, but then his career was derailed by mental health issues and that kind of thing was not well tolerated back in those days. Edited August 25, 2023 by Tiger337 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sports_Freak Posted August 25, 2023 Share Posted August 25, 2023 JV pitching in Detroit on Sunday? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
romad1 Posted August 25, 2023 Share Posted August 25, 2023 13 hours ago, Tiger337 said: Mike Ivie was kind of a sad story. He was the first pick of the draft in 1970 and had a hard time dealing with the pressure. He had some good years, but then his career was derailed by mental health issues and that kind of thing was not well tolerated back in those days. Wow...yeah, had not known any of that. Also, Dave Bergman was part of a trade involving Ivie. That raises a flag about Bergman. Was he a problem teammate that he got traded that often? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oblong Posted August 25, 2023 Share Posted August 25, 2023 18 minutes ago, romad1 said: Wow...yeah, had not known any of that. Also, Dave Bergman was part of a trade involving Ivie. That raises a flag about Bergman. Was he a problem teammate that he got traded that often? Some guys, like Edwin Jackson too, are good enough to get some value but not good enough that you worry about keeping, if that makes sense, so including him in a deal for someone you want is easy. I'm surprised his OPS+ was over 100 given his lack of power for a 1B. Quality ballplayer. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tiger337 Posted August 25, 2023 Share Posted August 25, 2023 (edited) I always assumed Bergman was a good teammate since he wasn't that good, but had a pretty long career. He was good enough to be a useful role player, but not good enough to start. Those kinds of players are not always kept around long. Edited August 25, 2023 by Tiger337 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alex Posted August 25, 2023 Share Posted August 25, 2023 14 minutes ago, Tiger337 said: I always assumed Bergman was a good teammate since he wasn't that good, but had a pretty long career. He was good enough to be a useful role player, but not good enough to start. Those kinds of players are not always kept around long. Met Dave Bergman several times, had several more than casual conversations with him as well. IMHO, he was always professional. Also, FWIW, Sparky liked him a lot and he played for him for quite a while - we all know that/his old so said quote (perhaps myth, lol) 'My way or the highway' so it seems 'Bergy' was good to be around from that perspective as well. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
romad1 Posted August 25, 2023 Share Posted August 25, 2023 My dad thought/thinks that Bergman was amazing. I still count pitches per AB with his long pinch hit HR AB in mind. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Toddwert Posted August 25, 2023 Share Posted August 25, 2023 Dave Bregman was a scrappy everyman player that people and especial in Detroit love ... kind of like Haase and Don Kelly Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tiger337 Posted August 25, 2023 Share Posted August 25, 2023 (edited) He gave 110% on every play. Edited August 25, 2023 by Tiger337 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RandyMarsh Posted August 25, 2023 Share Posted August 25, 2023 What I remember about Bergman was as like a 6 year old either I saw it on the back of a baseball card or heard it on a telecast but it mentioned him being a stock broker on the side and in the offseason. I remember my Dad saying something like "he probably makes more money doing that than playing baseball", the only "stock" I heard of was in regards to "stocking shelves" like at a supermarket so in my head that's what I thought it was. I remember thinking "wow I didn't know the people working at Farmer Jack or Kroger's made more than baseball players". lol one of those random things from your childhood that always stuck with me and to this day I often think of Bergman anytime I hear the term stock broker. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Jim Cowan Posted August 25, 2023 Share Posted August 25, 2023 Manning is perfect through 2 innings on 25 pitches. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tigermojo Posted August 25, 2023 Share Posted August 25, 2023 No way! That would have been 510 and 3150... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MIguy Posted August 25, 2023 Share Posted August 25, 2023 Miggy getting robbed and then Rogers being a bonehead. And before anyone says it, I know players are taught to go on contact but you need to have a little bit of common sense. You shouldn't be running home when the ball is hit sharply right to where you know the third baseman is standing. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RandyMarsh Posted August 25, 2023 Share Posted August 25, 2023 No strikeouts for either team through 2 innings, in this day in age that is a rarity. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SoCalTiger Posted August 25, 2023 Share Posted August 25, 2023 Torkelson is a poor first baseman. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MIguy Posted August 25, 2023 Share Posted August 25, 2023 Tork needs to be the full time DH next year. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AZTigersfan Posted August 25, 2023 Share Posted August 25, 2023 6 minutes ago, SoCalTiger said: Torkelson is a poor first baseman. Or Short needs to make a major league throw. He usually picks those but he faces so many every now and then he can’t make the play. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MIguy Posted August 25, 2023 Share Posted August 25, 2023 11 minutes ago, AZTigersfan said: Or Short needs to make a major league throw. He usually picks those but he faces so many every now and then he can’t make the play. A MLB first baseman should be able to dig a ball out of the dirt. I've lost count of how many times Tork has muffed a less than perfect throw this season. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SoCalTiger Posted August 25, 2023 Share Posted August 25, 2023 13 minutes ago, AZTigersfan said: Or Short needs to make a major league throw. He usually picks those but he faces so many every now and then he can’t make the play. Yes but any decent first baseman makes that catch. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AZTigersfan Posted August 25, 2023 Share Posted August 25, 2023 I don’t know, the Tork hate is a little over the top imo. He’s improving every phase of his game, but I guess patience is in short supply. To each their own I suppose. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MIguy Posted August 25, 2023 Share Posted August 25, 2023 LOL and another one. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AZTigersfan Posted August 25, 2023 Share Posted August 25, 2023 Ok Tork has not been good so far tonight, I’ll give you that. But short is trying to lose this game single handedly. Should have 3 errors and a terrible ab with a runner on 3rd. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hart Posted August 25, 2023 Share Posted August 25, 2023 Is there a stat that shows how good a first baseman is at picking bad throws? It would be helpful in evaluating Torkelson's defense. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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