kdog Posted July 3 Share Posted July 3 (edited) This is a check in the Scott Harris column. Edited July 3 by kdog 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LongLiveMaroth Posted July 5 Share Posted July 5 https://www.mlb.com/news/mlb-pipeline-2024-mock-draft-july-4?partnerID=web_article-share Little over a week away now. Mock had the Tigers taking Griffin. https://www.mlb.com/news/mlb-pipeline-2024-mock-draft-july-4?partnerID=web_article-share Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LongLiveMaroth Posted July 5 Share Posted July 5 Now I could be wrong but the vibe I keep seeing is the Tigers are going to go for a prep player. Now if Rainer or Griffin drop they will take him but if they don't it feels like they will grab Caminiti. The prep path tracks for Connor who ran San Diego's drafts prior to coming here and they were not shy about taking HS'ers. From his last SDP draft he drafted James Wood and Jackson Merrill so let's hope he can continue that streak with our drafts. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RatkoVarda Posted July 11 Share Posted July 11 Law dropped his final mock. 7 STL Rainer; 11 DET Caminit; 12 BOS Konnor Griffin. my uneducated opinion is Griffin over Caminiti Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tenacious D Posted July 11 Share Posted July 11 We probably need pitching more than position players right now. Forgetting the current offensive woes on the big squad, our best prospects, save for Jobe, are hitters (Jung, Clark, McGonigle, Lee). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RatkoVarda Posted July 11 Share Posted July 11 FG: 7 STL Rainer; 10 WASH Konnor Griffin; 11 DET Ryan Waldschmidt, OF, Kentucky; 13 SFG Caminiti 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Edman85 Posted July 11 Share Posted July 11 19 minutes ago, Tenacious D said: We probably need pitching more than position players right now. Forgetting the current offensive woes on the big squad, our best prospects, save for Jobe, are hitters (Jung, Clark, McGonigle, Lee). Never ever ever ever draft for need. 6 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tigermojo Posted July 11 Share Posted July 11 13 minutes ago, RatkoVarda said: FG: 7 STL Rainer; 10 WASH Konnor Griffin; 11 DET Ryan Waldschmidt, OF, Kentucky; 13 SFG Caminiti Why would Detroit take a guy ranked in the 20s Fangraphs? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LongLiveMaroth Posted July 11 Share Posted July 11 25 minutes ago, RatkoVarda said: Law dropped his final mock. 7 STL Rainer; 11 DET Caminit; 12 BOS Konnor Griffin. my uneducated opinion is Griffin over Caminiti Agreed mainly because I prefer position players to pitchers. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tenacious D Posted July 11 Share Posted July 11 15 minutes ago, Edman85 said: Never ever ever ever draft for need. No one suggested that. The point is, if we select a pitcher, it wouldn’t be the worst thing if the front office think he’s the best player available at our spot. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Longgone Posted July 11 Share Posted July 11 34 minutes ago, Tigermojo said: Why would Detroit take a guy ranked in the 20s Fangraphs? A) Pro rankings often differ from media rankings. B) Fangraphs rankings are often a little wonky. C) Waldschmidt is an ascending player and climbing the boards. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SoCalTiger Posted July 11 Share Posted July 11 My guess they go for someone underslot and spend more later like last year. Emphasis on guess. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RatkoVarda Posted July 11 Share Posted July 11 apparently draft is so shallow that doing so may not be worth the risk Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tigermojo Posted July 11 Share Posted July 11 7 minutes ago, RatkoVarda said: apparently draft is so shallow that doing so may not be worth the risk Nobody may drop out of the top ten for that reason. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
microline133 Posted July 11 Share Posted July 11 In addition to the perceived depth of the draft class, MLB clubs are starting to adjust to the impacts of NIL on their draft strategies. In year's past you could keep a guy from campus with a $500k bonus or if you pop a guy early and give him $1M, it was a no brainer he was signing. Now, with the amount some of these high caliber prep players can get in NIL over three years on campus, combined with the length of time it takes them to make real money on an annual basis coming through the MiLB/MLB rabks, the calculus has shifted and those players can no longer be bought out of college for the sums of past. That factors in heavily in terms of who is available later that you may be able to spend bonus savings to sign over slot 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tenacious D Posted July 11 Share Posted July 11 10 minutes ago, microline133 said: In addition to the perceived depth of the draft class, MLB clubs are starting to adjust to the impacts of NIL on their draft strategies. In year's past you could keep a guy from campus with a $500k bonus or if you pop a guy early and give him $1M, it was a no brainer he was signing. Now, with the amount some of these high caliber prep players can get in NIL over three years on campus, combined with the length of time it takes them to make real money on an annual basis coming through the MiLB/MLB rabks, the calculus has shifted and those players can no longer be bought out of college for the sums of past. That factors in heavily in terms of who is available later that you may be able to spend bonus savings to sign over slot Interesting—I’ve not seen the typical amounts that the more elite players are getting in baseball. Seems likes it’s reported on more in football and basketball. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gehringer_2 Posted July 11 Share Posted July 11 1 hour ago, microline133 said: In addition to the perceived depth of the draft class, MLB clubs are starting to adjust to the impacts of NIL on their draft strategies. In year's past you could keep a guy from campus with a $500k bonus or if you pop a guy early and give him $1M, it was a no brainer he was signing. Now, with the amount some of these high caliber prep players can get in NIL over three years on campus, combined with the length of time it takes them to make real money on an annual basis coming through the MiLB/MLB rabks, the calculus has shifted and those players can no longer be bought out of college for the sums of past. That factors in heavily in terms of who is available later that you may be able to spend bonus savings to sign over slot LOL - Donors footing a bill for NIL in college baseball must surely be a sign of the apocalypse upon us. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Arlington Posted July 12 Share Posted July 12 Torkelson is starting to look like the second coming of Eric Munson, god forbid. Munson was the third overall pick in 1999 and the first college player picked. He left Detroit a FA by 2004. Their stats are terrifyingly similar, career WARs approaching -2.0. Here are comparison career totals to date' AB M-1056 T-1175; BA M-.214 T-218; SB M-4 T-3; SLG M-.394 T-386; HR M-49 T-43; OBP M-.289 T-.296; and, here's the kicker, OPS M-683 T-683. Munson was even asked to play 3rd base out of position just as Tork was. There is a difference in that Tork has accumulated his numbers over two seasons. His career is not done. Munson took about 7 years of part-time play including about 300 PA with Houston to accumulate his stats. Although he played the year after he was drafted, he was never handed over the position like Tork was. Josh Hamilton and Josh Becket were drafted in front of him and the 4-6 players drafted that year never made it to the majors, so the Tigers joined a lot of teams in getting a dud with their high overall pick in 1999. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Longgone Posted July 12 Share Posted July 12 On 7/5/2024 at 10:36 AM, LongLiveMaroth said: Now I could be wrong but the vibe I keep seeing is the Tigers are going to go for a prep player. Now if Rainer or Griffin drop they will take him but if they don't it feels like they will grab Caminiti. The prep path tracks for Connor who ran San Diego's drafts prior to coming here and they were not shy about taking HS'ers. From his last SDP draft he drafted James Wood and Jackson Merrill so let's hope he can continue that streak with our drafts. I could see them falling for a Theo Gillen, for the bat. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LongLiveMaroth Posted July 12 Share Posted July 12 https://www.mlb.com/news/mlb-pipeline-2024-mock-draft-july-11?partnerID=web_article-share Pipeline mock has us taking Griffin. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LongLiveMaroth Posted July 14 Share Posted July 14 https://www.mlb.com/news/final-mlb-mock-draft-2024?partnerID=web_article-share Last pipeline mock has us going under slot for either Guillen or Tibbs. None of the top 10 drop out. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chasfh Posted July 14 Share Posted July 14 On 7/11/2024 at 2:32 PM, microline133 said: In addition to the perceived depth of the draft class, MLB clubs are starting to adjust to the impacts of NIL on their draft strategies. In year's past you could keep a guy from campus with a $500k bonus or if you pop a guy early and give him $1M, it was a no brainer he was signing. Now, with the amount some of these high caliber prep players can get in NIL over three years on campus, combined with the length of time it takes them to make real money on an annual basis coming through the MiLB/MLB rabks, the calculus has shifted and those players can no longer be bought out of college for the sums of past. That factors in heavily in terms of who is available later that you may be able to spend bonus savings to sign over slot How’re you gonna get ‘em to class when they’re spending their time at the bank? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gehringer_2 Posted July 14 Share Posted July 14 On 7/11/2024 at 3:32 PM, microline133 said: In addition to the perceived depth of the draft class, MLB clubs are starting to adjust to the impacts of NIL on their draft strategies. In year's past you could keep a guy from campus with a $500k bonus or if you pop a guy early and give him $1M, it was a no brainer he was signing. Now, with the amount some of these high caliber prep players can get in NIL over three years on campus, combined with the length of time it takes them to make real money on an annual basis coming through the MiLB/MLB rabks, the calculus has shifted and those players can no longer be bought out of college for the sums of past. That factors in heavily in terms of who is available later that you may be able to spend bonus savings to sign over slot And the pool system means that even if a team or teams were willing to pay more to get kids to leave school, teams would run out of pool money relatively fast if NIL are running to 6 figures plus. Maybe it's time for re-assessment of the system of the current CBA across the board. Productive players should be payed when they are producing and it should be easier for teams to hold their talent to build fan loyalty. Plus it would be nice to end the problem of over the hill guys like Cabrera hanging on only because they are owed money - the quality of the game would be higher. But from where they are to where they should be is so far it's hard to see any path from A -> B. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sports_Freak Posted July 14 Share Posted July 14 On 7/11/2024 at 11:41 AM, Edman85 said: Never ever ever ever draft for need. But I've heard it said you can never have enough pitching. And pitchers are always good trade bait. Take the best player available. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sports_Freak Posted July 14 Share Posted July 14 On 7/11/2024 at 3:32 PM, microline133 said: In addition to the perceived depth of the draft class, MLB clubs are starting to adjust to the impacts of NIL on their draft strategies. In year's past you could keep a guy from campus with a $500k bonus or if you pop a guy early and give him $1M, it was a no brainer he was signing. Now, with the amount some of these high caliber prep players can get in NIL over three years on campus, combined with the length of time it takes them to make real money on an annual basis coming through the MiLB/MLB rabks, the calculus has shifted and those players can no longer be bought out of college for the sums of past. That factors in heavily in terms of who is available later that you may be able to spend bonus savings to sign over slot Plus if players go to college, they can improve their draft slot. But that's mostly for later draft picks. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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