Tiger337 Posted September 27, 2023 Share Posted September 27, 2023 8 hours ago, Tigermojo said: I'm a Baddoo fan but I think we're seeing the problem he is going to face and it's Meadows, who can do everything Baddoo can but better. Add Greene and Carpenter and there is less room on the roster for more left handed outfielders. You can't pencil Baddoo in the line-up or even on the roster next year. It's a matter as to whether they want to keep him in the organization to see if there is any development left after being rushed to the majors. Meadows has a great glove. Whether or not he will hit over a full season is still in question. Baddoo looked like hitter like a potential power speed guy at one point too. Meadows needs to be given a full-seasin trial though. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shinzaki Posted September 27, 2023 Share Posted September 27, 2023 If it comes down to Meadows or Baddoo in the spring of 2024...I think you have to keep Meadows 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gehringer_2 Posted September 27, 2023 Share Posted September 27, 2023 In Baddoo's favor, he's still only 24 this year an is still only at 1000 AB. Not so much in his favor is that it's hard to see any progress or evolution in his hitting over those 1000 AB. I don't how the Tigers will come down on it, but I like Vierling the most of all the guys potentially on bubbles because not only can he play all three OF and 3B, but he has almost zero platoon split - so to me he's their most ideal 'anywhere, anytime' player. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tiger337 Posted September 27, 2023 Share Posted September 27, 2023 1 hour ago, Shinzaki said: If it comes down to Meadows or Baddoo in the spring of 2024...I think you have to keep Meadows At this point I think it comes down to Baddoo versus a bunch of other guys for the 26th spot. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gehringer_2 Posted September 27, 2023 Share Posted September 27, 2023 19 minutes ago, Tiger337 said: At this point I think it comes down to Baddoo versus a bunch of other guys for the 26th spot. Akil still has at least one option left so they don't have to let him go if he doesn't make the 26, and I suppose in the case that Parker has a terrible ST, Baddoo might be the alternate to come North with the team in his place. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave Christian Posted September 27, 2023 Share Posted September 27, 2023 4 hours ago, Shinzaki said: If it comes down to Meadows or Baddoo in the spring of 2024...I think you have to keep Meadows Absolutely! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tenacious D Posted September 27, 2023 Share Posted September 27, 2023 Won’t it ultimately come down to whether the Tigers want to use a 40-man roster spot on him? Not sure how many have graduated to require a spot on the 40-man, though we have a handful of players I’d be willing to discard before Akil. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gehringer_2 Posted September 27, 2023 Share Posted September 27, 2023 40 minutes ago, Tenacious D said: Won’t it ultimately come down to whether the Tigers want to use a 40-man roster spot on him? Not sure how many have graduated to require a spot on the 40-man, though we have a handful of players I’d be willing to discard before Akil. If we do a little rough math... Gone: Erod, McK, Maton, Cisnero, Wingetner, Vest, A Meadows, Cabrera, Kelley + maybe gone: Nevin, Turnbull, Ibanez. =9 + 3 maybes Incoming: 2 FA Starters, 1/2 FA reliever, Catcher, Keith, Malloy, Perez, 2 FA bats. = 9. Seems like the ins and out may be in reasonable balance. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Toddwert Posted September 27, 2023 Share Posted September 27, 2023 14 minutes ago, gehringer_2 said: If we do a little rough math... Gone: Erod, McK, Maton, Cisnero, Wingetner, Vest, A Meadows, Cabrera, Kelley + maybe gone: Nevin, Turnbull, Ibanez. =9 + 3 maybes Incoming: 2 FA Starters, 1/2 FA reliever, Catcher, Keith, Malloy, Perez, 2 FA bats. = 9. Seems like the ins and out may be in reasonable balance. I can see Mck Kelly and Ibanez still being around maybe stashed away in Toledo.... I dont believe Jhen and Keith make it up til later in the season I dont think the Defensive issues have gone away and Harris seems very conservative with Prospects Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tenacious D Posted September 28, 2023 Share Posted September 28, 2023 3 hours ago, gehringer_2 said: If we do a little rough math... Gone: Erod, McK, Maton, Cisnero, Wingetner, Vest, A Meadows, Cabrera, Kelley + maybe gone: Nevin, Turnbull, Ibanez. =9 + 3 maybes Incoming: 2 FA Starters, 1/2 FA reliever, Catcher, Keith, Malloy, Perez, 2 FA bats. = 9. Seems like the ins and out may be in reasonable balance. You’re not including guys in our minors that need to be put on the 40 man roster or risk being exposed in the Rule 5 draft. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1984Echoes Posted September 28, 2023 Share Posted September 28, 2023 28 minutes ago, Tenacious D said: You’re not including guys in our minors that need to be put on the 40 man roster or risk being exposed in the Rule 5 draft. And I think G2 is being a mite ambitious with his math... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gehringer_2 Posted September 28, 2023 Share Posted September 28, 2023 (edited) 32 minutes ago, Tenacious D said: You’re not including guys in our minors that need to be put on the 40 man roster or risk being exposed in the Rule 5 draft. good point. Do you have a count? Madden, Mattison, Hurter? Maybe Couch, Malgeri? Edited September 28, 2023 by gehringer_2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
casimir Posted September 28, 2023 Author Share Posted September 28, 2023 9 hours ago, Tenacious D said: You’re not including guys in our minors that need to be put on the 40 man roster or risk being exposed in the Rule 5 draft. How many prospects are at risk of being lost in the rule 5? Have the invites for the party been sent out yet? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Edman85 Posted September 28, 2023 Share Posted September 28, 2023 10 hours ago, gehringer_2 said: good point. Do you have a count? Madden, Mattison, Hurter? Maybe Couch, Malgeri? None of those. Flores, Dingler, and maybe Montero. From my sheet... Minor league free agent eligible. If re-signed to a minor league deal, they are Rule 5 eligible. MILB FA Eligible Luis Acosta Eliezer Alfonzo Elvis Alvarado Jose Alvarez Braden Bristo Esney Chacon Gregoris Chalas Sam Clay Angel De Jesus Bryan Encarnacion Mario Feliciano Rony Garcia Max Green Sean Guenther Wilkel Hernandez Eiker Huizi Marco Jimenez Zach Logue Eric Mendez Keider Montero Henry Montilla Tim Naughton Quincy Nieporte Michael Papierski Cleiverth Perez DJ Peters Julio Rodriguez Bryan Sammons Yosber Sanchez Luis Santana Nick Solak Cristhian Tortosa Luis Watter Aneurys Zabala And Rule 5 eligible: Rule 5 Eligible Yeremi Bastardo Lazaro Benitez Austin Bergner Michael Bienlien Jorge Boyer Jaison Brete Danny Cabrera Blair Calvo Roberto Campos Angel Cruz Jesus Cruz Trei Cruz Daneurys De la Cruz Jose De La Cruz Raudy De Los Santos Daniele Di Monte Jose Diaz Dillon Dingler Geury Estevez Wilmer Fenelon Wilmer Flores Dario Gardea Alvaro Gonzalez Layne Henderson Martin Herrera Zack Hess Jake Higginbotham Jake Holton Ricardo Hurtado Edgardo Ibarra Corey Joyce Abraham Landaeta Iverson Leonardo Abelaldo Lopez Jesus Machado Andrew Magno Dany Martinez Chris Mauloni Carlos Mendoza Williander Moreno Andrew Navigato Hendry Nunez Jack O'Loughlin Jose Ochoa Carlos Pena Erick Pinales Jose Reina Adinso Reyes Angel Reyes Jose Rivas Erick Rodriguez Moises Rodriguez Samuel Rojas Newremberg Rondon Gabriel Sequeira Manuel Sequera Rolando Sirit Ted Stuka Sergio Tapia Bryce Tassin Eduardo Valencia John Valente Moises Valero Matt Walker Adam Wolf Gage Workman Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chasfh Posted September 28, 2023 Share Posted September 28, 2023 14 hours ago, Toddwert said: I can see Mck Kelly and Ibanez still being around maybe stashed away in Toledo.... I dont believe Jhen and Keith make it up til later in the season I dont think the Defensive issues have gone away and Harris seems very conservative with Prospects I can see Ibanez sticking around. I don’t know that they will try to pass Kelly through waivers so they can stash him away in Toledo. I think the front office is gonna give him a chance to hook on for a starting job someplace else. I don’t think McKinstry or Maton are going anywhere. I also don’t think we keep Joey Wentz so we can lose Will Vest. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
casimir Posted September 28, 2023 Author Share Posted September 28, 2023 (edited) 19 minutes ago, chasfh said: I can see Ibanez sticking around. I don’t know that they will try to pass Kelly through waivers so they can stash him away in Toledo. I think the front office is gonna give him a chance to hook on for a starting job someplace else. I don’t think McKinstry or Maton are going anywhere. I also don’t think we keep Joey Wentz so we can lose Will Vest. Ibanez has had a good second half and final month in particular (although, BABIP help?). What stands out to me is his BB/SO. Is the "plate discipline" a sign of progression as a hitter or is it merely a mirage? Edit to add: I have been under the assumption that he's a not a returnee, but am growing a bit less solid on that. Edited September 28, 2023 by casimir Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chasfh Posted September 28, 2023 Share Posted September 28, 2023 1 hour ago, casimir said: Ibanez has had a good second half and final month in particular (although, BABIP help?). What stands out to me is his BB/SO. Is the "plate discipline" a sign of progression as a hitter or is it merely a mirage? Edit to add: I have been under the assumption that he's a not a returnee, but am growing a bit less solid on that. I think both he and McKinstry might return for the very reason so many fans hate: they have the flexibility to play multiple positions. I think that's important for rebuilding teams that don't have a surplus of everyday players, but that still needs to try to win games in the meantime. I do think once we get solid everyday guys to play either second or third, one of them may be released. Maybe that's next year, maybe that's 2025. Fun fact: Ibanez and McKinstry rank 3-4 along Tigers position players this year in WAR, behind only Carpenter and Greene, and ahead of Tork, Baez, Jake, and everyone else. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gehringer_2 Posted September 28, 2023 Share Posted September 28, 2023 1 hour ago, Edman85 said: None of those. Flores, Dingler, and maybe Montero. From my sheet... Minor league free agent eligible. If re-signed to a minor league deal, they are Rule 5 eligible. MILB FA Eligible Luis Acosta Eliezer Alfonzo Elvis Alvarado Jose Alvarez Braden Bristo Esney Chacon Gregoris Chalas Sam Clay Angel De Jesus Bryan Encarnacion Mario Feliciano Rony Garcia Max Green Sean Guenther Wilkel Hernandez Eiker Huizi Marco Jimenez Zach Logue Eric Mendez Keider Montero Henry Montilla Tim Naughton Quincy Nieporte Michael Papierski Cleiverth Perez DJ Peters Julio Rodriguez Bryan Sammons Yosber Sanchez Luis Santana Nick Solak Cristhian Tortosa Luis Watter Aneurys Zabala And Rule 5 eligible: Rule 5 Eligible Yeremi Bastardo Lazaro Benitez Austin Bergner Michael Bienlien Jorge Boyer Jaison Brete Danny Cabrera Blair Calvo Roberto Campos Angel Cruz Jesus Cruz Trei Cruz Daneurys De la Cruz Jose De La Cruz Raudy De Los Santos Daniele Di Monte Jose Diaz Dillon Dingler Geury Estevez Wilmer Fenelon Wilmer Flores Dario Gardea Alvaro Gonzalez Layne Henderson Martin Herrera Zack Hess Jake Higginbotham Jake Holton Ricardo Hurtado Edgardo Ibarra Corey Joyce Abraham Landaeta Iverson Leonardo Abelaldo Lopez Jesus Machado Andrew Magno Dany Martinez Chris Mauloni Carlos Mendoza Williander Moreno Andrew Navigato Hendry Nunez Jack O'Loughlin Jose Ochoa Carlos Pena Erick Pinales Jose Reina Adinso Reyes Angel Reyes Jose Rivas Erick Rodriguez Moises Rodriguez Samuel Rojas Newremberg Rondon Gabriel Sequeira Manuel Sequera Rolando Sirit Ted Stuka Sergio Tapia Bryce Tassin Eduardo Valencia John Valente Moises Valero Matt Walker Adam Wolf Gage Workman That seem that an unusually high number of eligibles for one team! Does this year hit some kind of peak because of the lost Covid season? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Edman85 Posted September 28, 2023 Share Posted September 28, 2023 Just now, gehringer_2 said: That seem that an unusually high number of eligibles for one team! Does this year hit some kind of peak because of the lost Covid season? No, it's pretty typical. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Edman85 Posted September 28, 2023 Share Posted September 28, 2023 Out of options next year: Miguel Diaz Zach McKinstry Zack Short Tyler Nevin Joey Wentz Andrew Vasquez Nick Maton Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chasfh Posted September 28, 2023 Share Posted September 28, 2023 4 minutes ago, Edman85 said: No, it's pretty typical. I saw "Max Green" and my eyes got wide and I clutched my chest for half a second before saying, "oh ..." Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gehringer_2 Posted September 28, 2023 Share Posted September 28, 2023 Ibanez is the exactly the kind of utility player you want on a good team*. The question is whether the Tiger start viewing themselves as a good team or not. *i.e. not a player you signed because you were hoping he could turn into a regular and actually fill a hole in a crappy lineup. or IOW, not a McKinstry or Maton. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Edman85 Posted September 28, 2023 Share Posted September 28, 2023 Arbitration eligible: Tyler Alexander Akil Baddoo (I think, he is above my projected Super 2 Cutoff) Carson Kelly (If option is declined) Austin Meadows Casey Mize Jake Rogers Tarik Skubal Spencer Turnbill Trey Wingenter I've got Alex Lange as the first player below the Super 2 Cutoff. It's possible I'm off because counting days of service is tough. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gehringer_2 Posted September 28, 2023 Share Posted September 28, 2023 3 minutes ago, Edman85 said: Out of options next year: Miguel Diaz Zach McKinstry Zack Short Tyler Nevin Joey Wentz Andrew Vasquez Nick Maton A mostly replaceable group. Diaz has done OK. I don't see any of the bats being significant contributors to a winning team. McKinstry made a contribution early this season this season but I really don't care for guys that collapse in the second half, argues that pitchers have them figured out so their future is dim. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gehringer_2 Posted September 28, 2023 Share Posted September 28, 2023 3 minutes ago, Edman85 said: Arbitration eligible: Tyler Alexander Akil Baddoo (I think, he is above my projected Super 2 Cutoff) Carson Kelly (If option is declined) Austin Meadows Casey Mize Jake Rogers Tarik Skubal Spencer Turnbill Trey Wingenter I've got Alex Lange as the first player below the Super 2 Cutoff. It's possible I'm off because counting days of service is tough. Curious to see if they offer Turnbull or if all the speculation about bad blood was just smoke. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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