10/01/2023 3:10 pm EDT Cleveland Guardians vs Detroit Tigers

[Motor City Sonics]

Thanks to the NFL for not having the Lions game today. 

[Tigermojo]

No more playing for draft picks. Second place and hungry for more!

 

 

[MIguy]

Miggy wasn't that pleased with the ice cold water dump.  🤣

[Toddwert]

1 minute ago, MIguy said:

Miggy wasn't that pleased with the ice cold water dump.  🤣

Badoo is on his list now

[Sports_Freak]

4 hours ago, Motor City Sonics said:

I still remember the day they got Miggy.   How stunning it was to lands such a superstar.    Some thought we gave up too much.  LOL.    Back in those days the Tigers made such bold moves, it seemed like every offseason.     Maybe if the young guys pan out and continue developing in 2024 we could start having that feelin again after next year.  

There was talk of scoring 1000 runs. We tanked...

[Motor City Sonics]

[Adullin]

Turn out the lights the party is over. 

[Motor City Sonics]

I hope tomorrow's  Imaculate Grid is all Miggy !

[Dave Christian]

I gotta admit that I was tearing up after Miggy made the last play of his career at first base and the celebration that followed.

Thank you Miguel Cabrera🙏

[Sports_Freak]

24 minutes ago, lordstanley said:

 

Thanks for that! I lost it when the stadium announcer said "One more time, Detroit"

[Motor City Sonics]

That was 45 minutes ago and I'm still emotional.   Allergies are way better, though...........Must have been a wave of pollen blowing through the house there. 

[CMRivdogs]

 

[CMRivdogs]

 

[lordstanley]

I had the radio call synced with MLB.tv. So this is what I heard. A million times better than the tv guys, no surprise. Dan was really bummed during the 4-pitch walk. I didn’t really mind that, at least he got on base. 
 

 

[casimir]

3 hours ago, Motor City Sonics said:

Opener AT Chicago in March.   Who the f came up with that formula? 

Angel Hernandez.

[casimir]

1 hour ago, CMRivdogs said:

 

Oh man, to be at the Arby's that he rolls up to in that thing tomorrow when he goes for free curly fries......

[Tiger337]

With Cabrera retiring, there are no more hitters who batted against the Expos.  

[buddha]

so long miggy.  the greatest tiger hitter of my lifetime.

for all the bitching about roster spots and minor leaguers taking his spot, and how he's a drag on the team, i enjoyed following him this last year.  time to retire for sure, but i liked one last season of cabrera in detroit.

adios miggy.  see you in cooperstown.

[Tiger337]

Now that Cabrera is done, where does he fit among Tigers all-time?  It's a bit of a challenge because his peak years were so good, but he had so many down years at the end. Giving value to both peak and longevity, here is a quick list:

1. Cobb

2. Kaline

3. Gehringer

4. Greenberg

5. Verlander

6. Heilmann

7. Cabrera

8. Whitaker

9. Trammell

10. Crawford.  

[Motor City Sonics]

6 minutes ago, Tiger337 said:

Now that Cabrera is done, where does he fit among Tigers all-time?  It's a bit of a challenge because his peak years were so good, but he had so many down years at the end. Giving value to both peak and longevity, here is a quick list:

1. Cobb

2. Kaline

3. Gehringer

4. Greenberg

5. Verlander

6. Heilmann

7. Cabrera

8. Whitaker

9. Trammell

10. Crawford.  

If he had retired after 2018,  he's probably #2 on that list.  

[Tenacious D]

He’s ahead of Mr. Tiger.  He’s in the top 20 in almost every key offensive category.  

[Tiger337]

15 minutes ago, Motor City Sonics said:

If he had retired after 2018,  he's probably #2 on that list.  

I would not have put him ahead of Gehringer and Kaline.  Maybe 4th.  

[gehringer_2]

22 minutes ago, Tenacious D said:

He’s ahead of Mr. Tiger.  He’s in the top 20 in almost every key offensive category.  

I've no desire to re-litigate an old question, but you can't do a meaningful direct comparison between the career offensive out-put of guys that played in the pitchers era and guys that played in the rabbit ball era.

Edited October 2, 2023 by gehringer_2

[buddha]

28 minutes ago, Tenacious D said:

He’s ahead of Mr. Tiger.  He’s in the top 20 in almost every key offensive category.  

kaline played a great right field for most of his career and cabrera was a defensive albatross.

i'm mr "hitting is way more important than defense", but when youre looking over an entire career and one guy is an excellent fielder and the other guy is terrible, it means something.  kaline was good enough with the bat to compete with cabrera even if cabrera's peaks were much higher.

 

[Tiger337]

22 minutes ago, Tenacious D said:

He’s ahead of Mr. Tiger.  He’s in the top 20 in almost every key offensive category.  

He is 42nd in OPS+ (a stat which I consider to be a very important offensive stat) among players with at least 5,000 PA.  Kaline made a substantial defensive contribution as well.  Also, when I make a ranking like this, I only look at years they played with the Tigers, so that lowers Cabrera's counting stats.  I would not even consider putting him ahead of Cobb, Kakine and Gehringer..  The highest I could go is 4th.