Tenacious D Posted November 4, 2023 Share Posted November 4, 2023 Greene > Carpenter, and it’s not even close. Still very questionable if Carp is not another Boesch. I might have felt differently if he had ended the season better. Of course I’m pulling for him, but selling high might not be a bad outcome if we can improve elsewhere. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mtutiger Posted November 4, 2023 Share Posted November 4, 2023 This quote kinda gets at something that I've heard prior to today quite a bit.... "this team is very young, they are gonna need to go out and get a few useful vets to round out the kids". I've heard that in reference to the outfield too, not just the infield. Front office did that today. The fact that we're getting some ".... but not that outfielder!!!" from corners of the fanbase is pretty unsurprising. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sports_Freak Posted November 4, 2023 Share Posted November 4, 2023 2 minutes ago, mtutiger said: Yes, he's Mark Canha, not Julio Rodriguez, I got it. He profiles as a guy that they could use on a few different levels (ie. another RH OF bat in a very lefty heavy outfield, gets on base, plays serviceable defense, can back up 1B), and he was obtained for a fairly small price on the third day of the offseason. Sorry, just not seeing how this generates anger other than people projecting their own ideas as to what, if anything, this means for the rest of the offseason. Do you even remember last off-season? When fans were upset when the Tigers let Candelario walk? The response was....we have months to replace him, be patient. Or...Harris is new to the job, give him a chance. Well, many fans don't like seeing a 35 year old player with zero upside being acquired. Me? I could care less, I don't see him taking a roster spot from anyone who has any real talents. Like I said, IMO, this move is a nothing burger....a meh move. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tenacious D Posted November 4, 2023 Share Posted November 4, 2023 I’d be OK if we make a similar deal for LeMahieu, if the Yankees want to dump his salary. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tiger337 Posted November 4, 2023 Share Posted November 4, 2023 Canha gives you a 110% in every at bat. Not afraid to get dirty, get hit by the pitch. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1776 Posted November 4, 2023 Share Posted November 4, 2023 ERod opted out. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tenacious D Posted November 4, 2023 Share Posted November 4, 2023 1 minute ago, Sports_Freak said: Do you even remember last off-season? When fans were upset when the Tigers let Candelario walk? The response was....we have months to replace him, be patient. Or...Harris is new to the job, give him a chance. Well, many fans don't like seeing a 35 year old player with zero upside being acquired. Me? I could care less, I don't see him taking a roster spot from anyone who has any real talents. Like I said, IMO, this move is a nothing burger....a meh move. He could take AB’s from Vierling, or block Malloy, so this isn’t a victimless crime. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sports_Freak Posted November 4, 2023 Share Posted November 4, 2023 3 minutes ago, Tiger337 said: Are we talking about Greene or Carpenter? I'm talking about Carpenter. And I'm not real impressed with Greene. All the talent in the world is meaningless if a player can't stay healthy. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sports_Freak Posted November 4, 2023 Share Posted November 4, 2023 3 minutes ago, Tiger337 said: Canha gives you a 110% in every at bat. Not afraid to get dirty, get hit by the pitch. Made me laugh, good job. A weak hitting, old, slow NL player isn't a big deal, it's why we only had to give nothing up for him. The only thing this trade did was create some Tigers chatter.....too many posts about a utility OF who prolly won't make much difference in 2024. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RatkoVarda Posted November 4, 2023 Share Posted November 4, 2023 Law had Canha as the #28 overall FA; looks like Law was assuming Brewers would buy him out; huge bargain if he puts up 2.0 WAR for just 11.5M; even if it is an overpay, Harris avoids having to give one of the crappy RH FA outfielders a 2-year contract; looks like a solid move; and again Harris gets a guy with the skills he claims he wants Canha gave the Mets about three and a half wins of production on the two-year deal he signed before 2022 before they traded him to Milwaukee for a fringe pitching prospect in Justin Jarvis, after which he ran his two-year total to 4.6 rWAR — a screaming bargain for the $24 million total he earned in the period. He became a very strong on-base guy at age 30, and last year’s OBP of .355 was his lowest since 2018, maybe because he failed to lead the league in times hit by a pitch for the first time in three years. He doesn’t have enough power to be a regular in a corner, but he doesn’t show much platoon split and could overcome the lack of power if he gets his OBPs back up to the .370-plus range. If you’re a glass-half-full person, you see Canha’s .373 OBP in Milwaukee after the trade and hope there’s another year or two of that production in here, in which case he ought to get another two-year deal for something more like $28-30 million. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tiger337 Posted November 4, 2023 Share Posted November 4, 2023 Canha has 100 HBP in the last 5 years. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mtutiger Posted November 4, 2023 Share Posted November 4, 2023 19 minutes ago, Sports_Freak said: Do you even remember last off-season? When fans were upset when the Tigers let Candelario walk? You're kidding right? I'm not sure I've ever seen a horse flogged so hard and so often in my life Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sports_Freak Posted November 4, 2023 Share Posted November 4, 2023 2 minutes ago, Tiger337 said: Canha has 100 HBP in the last 5 years. Lmao... His biggest upside is getting HBP? Oh my, tune in! Get your tickets! Watch Canha get plonked! This makes my day, finally a Tiger with REAL promise. 🤣🤣 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sports_Freak Posted November 4, 2023 Share Posted November 4, 2023 1 minute ago, mtutiger said: You're kidding right? I'm not sure I've ever seen a horse flogged so hard and so often in my life I guess you don't remember last year at this time. Fans were really mad at Harris for letting Candy walk. The arguments supporting Harris were, it's early, give him time. Yeah, we ended up with Nick Maton. Or...Harris is new here, give him time. So we get a utility RH bat for the OF. Big woop...a meaningless move. We need SP depth, a 2nd baseman, a 3rd baseman and a decent backup catcher. It's early but as Yogi once said, it's getting late quick! Lol Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mtutiger Posted November 4, 2023 Share Posted November 4, 2023 3 minutes ago, Sports_Freak said: I guess you don't remember last year at this time. Fans were really mad at Harris for letting Candy walk. The arguments supporting Harris were, it's early, give him time. Yeah, we ended up with Nick Maton. Or...Harris is new here, give him time. So we get a utility RH bat for the OF. Big woop...a meaningless move. We need SP depth, a 2nd baseman, a 3rd baseman and a decent backup catcher. It's early but as Yogi once said, it's getting late quick! Lol Question: Given the concern about the Tigers OF depth and how this move would impact said depth, should the Tigers have acquired any OF this offseason? Or should they have just run it back? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sports_Freak Posted November 4, 2023 Share Posted November 4, 2023 27 minutes ago, mtutiger said: Question: Given the concern about the Tigers OF depth and how this move would impact said depth, should the Tigers have acquired any OF this offseason? Or should they have just run it back? A quality RH OF bat with decent defense? Yes. Or put Vierling in the OF in a platoon split with Baddoo. Then we would need a good defense/bat at 3rd base. But this guy we got today? Meaningless. Treading water. Not inspiring. I hear he's good at getting beaned, that should be fun. 🤣 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tenacious D Posted November 4, 2023 Share Posted November 4, 2023 A lot of offseason left, but wonder if the Tigers view Vierling as a viable option at 3B, keeping the hot corner warm for Jung? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mtutiger Posted November 4, 2023 Share Posted November 4, 2023 10 minutes ago, Sports_Freak said: A quality RH OF bat with decent defense? Yes. Or put Vierling in the OF in a platoon split with Baddoo. Then we would need a good defense/bat at 3rd base. But this guy we got today? Meaningless. Treading water. Not inspiring. I hear he's good at getting beaned, that should be fun. 🤣 I think he’s a better player than you are portraying him to be, and his OPS+, which exceeded that of most (all?) of the 2023 Detroit Tigers demonstrates that. And they obtained him for a fairly small price. We just agree to disagree on this one. They needed a veteran OF bat, they acquired one, hopefully this allows them to shift their focus to other needs (another infielder, a couple of starters, etc.) 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sports_Freak Posted November 4, 2023 Share Posted November 4, 2023 4 minutes ago, Tenacious D said: A lot of offseason left, but wonder if the Tigers view Vierling as a viable option at 3B, keeping the hot corner warm for Jung? Wasn't he the primary choice at 3rd base last year after Maton flamed out? Right now, I think he's our best bet at 3rd base. But I was impressed with his defense in RF. I would much rather see him as a RH platoon split in LF with Baddoo than any other player on our roster. But like I said, it doesn't really matter what the fans want. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mtutiger Posted November 4, 2023 Share Posted November 4, 2023 2 minutes ago, Sports_Freak said: Wasn't he the primary choice at 3rd base last year after Maton flamed out? Right now, I think he's our best bet at 3rd base. Where does Colt Keith fit into the picture? Are people thinking 2B or 3B these days? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jim Cowan Posted November 4, 2023 Share Posted November 4, 2023 1 hour ago, Tiger337 said: Canha gives you a 110% in every at bat. Not afraid to get dirty, get hit by the pitch. He's the second coming of Fernando Vina. He does all the little things that don't show up in the box score. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sports_Freak Posted November 4, 2023 Share Posted November 4, 2023 3 minutes ago, mtutiger said: I think he’s a better player than you are portraying him to be, and his OPS+, which exceeded that of most (all?) of the 2023 Detroit Tigers demonstrates that. And they obtained him for a fairly small price. We just agree to disagree on this one. They needed a veteran OF bat, they acquired one, hopefully this allows them to shift their focus to other needs (another infielder, a couple of starters, etc.) Needs....outfield? Really? Look how many we already had...Baddoo, Greene, Meadows, Vierling and Carpenter. We even used Zach Short and Ibanez out there, though those guys aren't ideal. We needed a RH bat out there but at who's expense? Trade Baddoo? May as well, we have Greene for LF. If he can stay healthy for 150 games or so. But come on man, you gotta agree Canha doesn't bring much to the table. 35 years old, limited power, batting average, speed or defense. Not much upside to him, other than getting hit by the pitch. Like I've said a few times, a nothing burger move. A giant....meh. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gehringer_2 Posted November 4, 2023 Share Posted November 4, 2023 (edited) 16 minutes ago, mtutiger said: I think he’s a better player than you are portraying him to be, and his OPS+, which exceeded that of most (all?) of the 2023 Detroit Tigers demonstrates that. And they obtained him for a fairly small price. We just agree to disagree on this one. They needed a veteran OF bat, they acquired one, hopefully this allows them to shift their focus to other needs (another infielder, a couple of starters, etc.) The risk is Canha is more is age than his resume. At 35 he might have ~3 good yrs left or he might come to ST and find its gone forever - you never know about hitters in their mid thirties. Edited November 4, 2023 by gehringer_2 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sports_Freak Posted November 4, 2023 Share Posted November 4, 2023 7 minutes ago, mtutiger said: Where does Colt Keith fit into the picture? Are people thinking 2B or 3B these days? Good question. Weren't the Tigers grooming him at 2nd base in the minors? We need a good hitting 2nd baseman with good defense. Ibanez looked good there at times last season. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mtutiger Posted November 4, 2023 Share Posted November 4, 2023 16 minutes ago, gehringer_2 said: The risk is Canha is more is age than his resume. At 35 he might have ~3 good yrs left or he might come to ST and find its gone forever - you never know about hitters in their mid thirties. That's a fair question - but again, I think that for what they gave up, that is a risk worth taking. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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