Tenacious D Posted November 5, 2023 Share Posted November 5, 2023 Just now, RatkoVarda said: for those targeting Padres players (or recent FAs), looks like SD borrowed $50M from MLB to make payroll last year; their Bally network seems to be in worse shape than Detroit's; they have huge debt ratio problems; and now this. So it seems the rumored need to move salary is maybe real. This. Go get Tatis. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Motor City Sonics Posted November 5, 2023 Share Posted November 5, 2023 12 minutes ago, Tenacious D said: This. Go get Tatis. Um no, he's one more bad piss test from a possible lifetime or one-year ban, isn't he? Plus, is he a locker room cancer? The Padres were MUCH better when he wasn't around. Go get Soto. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1776 Posted November 5, 2023 Share Posted November 5, 2023 35 minutes ago, Motor City Sonics said: Um no, he's one more bad piss test from a possible lifetime or one-year ban, isn't he? Plus, is he a locker room cancer? The Padres were MUCH better when he wasn't around. Amen! I would imagine he’s part of the reason Bob Melvin is in SF now. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tenacious D Posted November 5, 2023 Share Posted November 5, 2023 Soto’s a rental. Tatis is a buy-low guy that has some risk, but the reward can be great. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Edman85 Posted November 5, 2023 Share Posted November 5, 2023 Your package for Tatis is going to be something like Greene, Jobe, Keith plus a couple low level guys. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Motor City Sonics Posted November 5, 2023 Share Posted November 5, 2023 9 minutes ago, Tenacious D said: Soto’s a rental. Tatis is a buy-low guy that has some risk, but the reward can be great. Obviously, a Soto trade has to come with him agreeing to a long term deal. 9 years, 350 million? What would it take to get him. 3 top young players/prospects? Putting Soto and Canha at the top with Green and Tork.........are you kidding me? Look, I know it won't happen, but let me dream a bit. I don't want Tatis. He's gonna dumb himself out of a career. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sports_Freak Posted November 5, 2023 Share Posted November 5, 2023 2 hours ago, Tenacious D said: Agree it’s a no-brainer to stash Baddoo in Toledo. We have a lot of question marks in the outfield—will Greene be able to play out there on Opening Day, is Meadows ready, and is Carpenter legit or Brennan Boesch V2. Nice to have Akil as insurance. If they even sign him. I just read an article that said he's going to be a Super 2 arbitration eligible player? How many outfielders can they carry? Greene, Meadows, Carpenter, Canha, Baddoo, and the other assorted players Hinch puts out there...Short, McKinstry, Ibanez, Nevin and Vierling. I don't really care for those utility players that the Tigers think can play anywhere. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tiger337 Posted November 5, 2023 Share Posted November 5, 2023 8 minutes ago, Sports_Freak said: If they even sign him. I just read an article that said he's going to be a Super 2 arbitration eligible player? How many outfielders can they carry? Greene, Meadows, Carpenter, Canha, Baddoo, and the other assorted players Hinch puts out there...Short, McKinstry, Ibanez, Nevin and Vierling. I don't really care for those utility players that the Tigers think can play anywhere. Start Baddoo and Malloy in the minors. Bring them up when someone gets hurt. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Edman85 Posted November 5, 2023 Share Posted November 5, 2023 Nothing stops you from optioning an arb guy to the minors. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sports_Freak Posted November 5, 2023 Share Posted November 5, 2023 2 minutes ago, Edman85 said: Nothing stops you from optioning an arb guy to the minors. That's true but if they're paying him a few million $$, I don't see them keeping him in the system. Sign and trade him? Or don't even offer him a contract, making him a FA? Is he eligible as a Super 2? I don't even know what that means. I would rather trade him deep into the NL so we don't have to face him. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tiger337 Posted November 5, 2023 Share Posted November 5, 2023 They have to face every NL every year now, so they would still face him. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Edman85 Posted November 5, 2023 Share Posted November 5, 2023 (edited) He's on track to make 1.7M per MLBTR... So about twice the minimum. I don't mind keeping somebody like that in AAA if you need him. Also, stuff happens. Greene has a setback, Parker Meadows doesn't hit, somebody else gets hurt, and he's there. It's better than having to go get Jake Marisnick again. p.s. As for Super 2. Anybody with three years of more of service time are arbitration eligible. Effectively, everybody between 2 and 3 is ranked by service time (counted to the day) and the top 22% of them are eligible for arbitration. Arbitration just means the player can negotiate their salary. Yes, you can non-tender (not offer), but somebody like Baddoo is a worth a lot more than what he'll get in arb on the free agent market. Edited November 5, 2023 by Edman85 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tenacious D Posted November 5, 2023 Share Posted November 5, 2023 Agree that paying Baddoo $1.7M to be insurance at AAA is an easy decision. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
casimir Posted November 6, 2023 Share Posted November 6, 2023 3 hours ago, Sports_Freak said: That's true but if they're paying him a few million $$, I don't see them keeping him in the system. Sign and trade him? Or don't even offer him a contract, making him a FA? Is he eligible as a Super 2? I don't even know what that means. I would rather trade him deep into the NL so we don't have to face him. Keeping Baddoo and carrying him at $2M even if he is at Toledo really isn’t as a big deal. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chasfh Posted November 6, 2023 Author Share Posted November 6, 2023 Don’t no one start popping the champagne for this news just yet … 😉😁 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shinzaki Posted November 6, 2023 Share Posted November 6, 2023 Given where the payroll is...I don't think paying a guy $2mil to flip between Det and Tol would be a huge concern. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chasfh Posted November 6, 2023 Author Share Posted November 6, 2023 On 11/5/2023 at 8:03 AM, Toddwert said: but as a fan you should want Ohtani, Nola, and all the best players ... its not our job to get them here for a reasonably contract plus we have no idea whos being shopped a round on the trade market... would you be mad if they get Ohtani for 500 Million for 10 years? You are strongly implying that I would prefer Mark Canha on the team to Ohtani or Nola. I don't know where you are getting that idea, because that would inexplicable for me to prefer. I simply believe that a trade or free agent signing is not necessarily a failure simply because it's not for Ohtani or Nola. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Toddwert Posted November 6, 2023 Share Posted November 6, 2023 8 minutes ago, chasfh said: You are strongly implying that I would prefer Mark Canha on the team to Ohtani or Nola. I don't know where you are getting that idea, because that would inexplicable for me to prefer. I simply believe that a trade or free agent signing is not necessarily a failure simply because it's not for Ohtani or Nola. no my point is when you ask who we should get ... we should get the best players as a fan its not my job to make it work thats all Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oblong Posted November 6, 2023 Share Posted November 6, 2023 40 minutes ago, chasfh said: Don’t no one start popping the champagne for this news just yet … 😉😁 I’m waiting for the tweet that Cabrera is selling his waterfront mansion in the Pointes. Where he lives in Detroit is in the old money FU area. The titans of industry. AJ may just be trying to capitalize on a hot market. At his level they still don’t have that money for life thing yet. Maybe he just wanted something different. Perhaps an extension is coming and he’s getting a house a few blocks over. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chasfh Posted November 6, 2023 Author Share Posted November 6, 2023 I don't see them paying Baddoo $1.7MM to do a whole year, or even as a break-glass guy, at Toledo. If they sign him, which they might or might not, I see them keeping him as a part-time platoon in left, as well as playing there when TORK! needs a day off at first and Canha moves there for the game. They might also pass on the arb and let him test the market since, to others' point, we have a glut of LHH outfielders. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chasfh Posted November 6, 2023 Author Share Posted November 6, 2023 3 minutes ago, Toddwert said: no my point is when you ask who we should get ... we should get the best players as a fan its not my job to make it work thats all Maybe you're getting your wish and Mark Canha is the best player we can get right now. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tiger337 Posted November 6, 2023 Share Posted November 6, 2023 (edited) 9 minutes ago, chasfh said: Maybe you're getting your wish and Mark Canha is the best player we can get right now. I think they saw him as a good deal independent of what else they might be able to do this winter. Maybe they won't do much else at all, but I don't think the Canha trade is an indicator of that. Edited November 6, 2023 by Tiger337 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RatkoVarda Posted November 6, 2023 Share Posted November 6, 2023 Canha makes the team better, which is good; I doubt Harris adds much more on the position player side, which is bad Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tenacious D Posted November 6, 2023 Share Posted November 6, 2023 26 minutes ago, oblong said: I’m waiting for the tweet that Cabrera is selling his waterfront mansion in the Pointes. Where he lives in Detroit is in the old money FU area. The titans of industry. AJ may just be trying to capitalize on a hot market. At his level they still don’t have that money for life thing yet. Maybe he just wanted something different. Perhaps an extension is coming and he’s getting a house a few blocks over. My wife is a realtor in Birmingham. Disappointed she didn’t get the Hinch listing. He probably did very well (there is not a lot of inventory right now), but where is he going to live? I could rent out a room to him, I suppose. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tenacious D Posted November 6, 2023 Share Posted November 6, 2023 1 minute ago, RatkoVarda said: Canha makes the team better, which is good; I doubt Harris adds much more on the position player side, which is bad I’ll give him the benefit of the doubt that he can still upgrade a position. We have a lot of prospect capital for a change. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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