2023-24 Detroit Tigers Offseason Thread

[gehringer_2]

  On 11/6/2023 at 9:41 PM, KL2 said:

They don't have anyone else, market is thin and its only $3.5 million for a backup. 

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True, his dad let Avila go for 3M and that was easily one of the worst moves he made.

[Edman85]

  On 11/6/2023 at 9:36 PM, gehringer_2 said:

Does Tyler Alexander have enough service time to refuse assgnment? Sure seems like he must...

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Refuse assignment? No. Declare free agency? Yes. He will be gone. They likely didn't put him on waivers in time because Canha wasn't acquired til Saturday.

What isn't mentioned in that transaction is Wingenter and Vasquez will be among the minor league free agent crop at the top of the hour.

[gehringer_2]

  On 11/6/2023 at 9:52 PM, Edman85 said:

Refuse assignment? No. Declare free agency?

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I guess there are a lot of younger arms suitable for long relief, but TA seemed like a pretty solid guy as long you didn't let him start. Maybe that's the answer to the question...

[SoCalTiger]

  On 11/6/2023 at 9:52 PM, Edman85 said:

Refuse assignment? No. Declare free agency? Yes. He will be gone. They likely didn't put him on waivers in time because Canha wasn't acquired til Saturday.

What isn't mentioned in that transaction is Wingenter and Vasquez will be among the minor league free agent crop at the top of the hour.

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So Austin Meadows will be a non tender ? And why do we have to wait ?

[oblong]

I like how the release says New York (NL) instead of the Yankees. Yet earlier in the release they use the team nickname on themselves. Little things like that get my attention. I want to know the protocol or standards. 

[1776]

  On 11/6/2023 at 9:40 PM, Tiger337 said:

The real question of the day is who replaces Zach Short?

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I’m sure that is a rhetorical question. Any and everybody knows, Zack Short is irreplaceable. 

[Toddwert]

  On 11/6/2023 at 10:27 PM, oblong said:

I like how the release says New York (NL) instead of the Yankees. Yet earlier in the release they use the team nickname on themselves. Little things like that get my attention. I want to know the protocol or standards. 

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isnt that the Mets? NL for National League

[Toddwert]

  On 11/6/2023 at 9:40 PM, Tiger337 said:

The real question of the day is who replaces Zach Short?

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ARE THEY BRINGING BACK DON KELLY!!!!

[Edman85]

  On 11/6/2023 at 10:27 PM, SoCalTiger said:

So Austin Meadows will be a non tender ? And why do we have to wait ?

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Meadows can refuse assignment (5+ years service time), so he may have just said "No, I'm not accepting an outright," even if the end state is free agency.

Maybe they aren't letting him go, for reasons.

[gehringer_2]

  On 11/6/2023 at 10:57 PM, Edman85 said:

Meadows can refuse assignment (5+ years service time), so he may have just said "No, I'm not accepting an outright," even if the end state is free agency.

Maybe they aren't letting him go, for reasons.

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There hasn't been boo out of Austin's camp that he even intends to play baseball again. Supposing he did, the expectation to walk into an MLB camp and perform after 2 yrs off would seem unrealistic.

[Toddwert]

  On 11/6/2023 at 11:02 PM, gehringer_2 said:

There hasn't been boo out of Austin's camp that he even intends to play baseball again. Supposing he did, the expectation to walk into an MLB camp and perform after 2 yrs off would seem unrealistic.

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He might not even know what he wants to do... as someone with anxiety I can totally understand 

[RatkoVarda]

if Kelly was Avila's guy, his performance would have him out the door, but Harris is like any GM, going to give his guys more shots

[Tigermojo]

Maybe they figure one more off season will help Kelly's forearm recover.

Edited November 6, 2023 by Tigermojo

[casimir]

  On 11/6/2023 at 9:40 PM, Tiger337 said:

The real question of the day is who replaces Zach Short?

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Nobody.

[MIguy]

Baez didn't opt out, my winter is ruined.   

[Tiger337]

Four more years!

[casimir]

  On 11/6/2023 at 11:36 PM, Tigermojo said:

Maybe they figure one more off season will help Kelly's forearm recover.

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Possibly.

I’m not all that worried about offense out of the backup catcher.  They need one of those, this one is in house and might have some slight upside over last season.  Sands ain’t gonna be it.  Dingler needs more minor league reps.  Free agency is awful.  Just pick up the option and move along with life.

[Tiger337]

  On 11/7/2023 at 12:14 AM, casimir said:

Nobody.

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It's true that nobody can replace Short.  

I will kind of miss having Long and Short on the same team.  

[oblong]

Javier Baez will be an LCS MVP in 3 years

(I made this joke about Jhonny Peralta once after Edgar Renteria won it.)

[Edman85]

  On 11/7/2023 at 12:58 AM, oblong said:

Javier Baez will be an LCS MVP in 3 years

(I made this joke about Jhonny Peralta once after Edgar Renteria won it.)

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Kirk Gibson, Placido Polanco, Delmon Young...

In case anybody else was curious.

[mtutiger]

  On 11/6/2023 at 9:41 PM, KL2 said:

They don't have anyone else, market is thin and its only $3.5 million for a backup. 

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And he only was in 18 games as a Tiger...

It's fine.... they can course correct if they need to.

[RatkoVarda]

https://www.mlbtraderumors.com/2023/11/2023-24-top-50-free-agents-with-predictions.html

Tiger FA predictions: Sonny Gray, Jordan Hicks, Jack Flaherty, Taylor Mahle, Gio Urshela, Ahmed Rosario, Luis Severino.

Harris will not be signing Rosario obviously.

[Tenacious D]

Ok, so now we know the bench.  I doubt the  Tigers would waste 40 man spots if they didn’t think McKinstry, Ibanez and Kelly had a good chance to make the squad. 

Let’s now package Carpenter, Jung and another good prospect for an outfielder upgrade.

[gehringer_2]

  On 11/7/2023 at 4:13 AM, Tenacious D said:

Let’s now package Carpenter, Jung and another good prospect for an outfielder upgrade.

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If a young bat is going out, I'd rather keep the one that can play 3rd -  assuming that they've given up on Keith being able to.

[Edman85]

  On 11/7/2023 at 4:13 AM, Tenacious D said:

Ok, so now we know the bench.  I doubt the  Tigers would waste 40 man spots if they didn’t think McKinstry, Ibanez and Kelly had a good chance to make the squad. 

Let’s now package Carpenter, Jung and another good prospect for an outfielder upgrade.

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How do we know the bench? That changes dozens of times over the course of the season anyways. So if a quality bench player is available for cheap later in the offseason, the Tigers should pass?

The 40 man really isn't set. There's still more rounds of cuts.

Also, take a dive into some advanced metrics and Ibanez as a starter may not seem so far-fetched.