Tiger337 Posted November 12, 2023 Share Posted November 12, 2023 1 hour ago, chasfh said: The Law of Absolutes may suggest that anything can happen and maybe the agent acted independently of and even against the wishes of the client, but Occam’s Razor says that the agent acted with the client’s approval. They didn't want to give him another year, so there was nothing to approve. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1984Echoes Posted November 12, 2023 Share Posted November 12, 2023 12 hours ago, Toddwert said: because he can go where ever he wants why would he come to Detroit instead of a bigger market with a large japanese population... its not about the Tigers wanting him its about him wanting the Tigers back I believe whoever offers the most Posting money to his team gets to exclusively negotiate with him. Unless I am mistaken on that. Meaning... it's out of his hands and ONLY in the hands of the Tigers or whichever team bids the most Posting. If the Tigers bid the most Posting $'s, he's ours. IIRC. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Edman85 Posted November 12, 2023 Share Posted November 12, 2023 2 minutes ago, 1984Echoes said: I believe whoever offers the most Posting money to his team gets to exclusively negotiate with him. Unless I am mistaken on that. Meaning... it's out of his hands and ONLY in the hands of the Tigers or whichever team bids the most Posting. If the Tigers bid the most Posting $'s, he's ours. IIRC. I don't believe that is true any more. https://www.mlb.com/glossary/transactions/japanese-posting-system Quote Players from Japan's top league -- Nippon Professional Baseball (NPB) -- who do not have the requisite nine years of professional experience to gain international free agency can request to be "posted" for Major League clubs. Under posting rules that were instituted in the 2018-19 offseason, the "release fee" -- an amount that an NPB club must receive in the event an agreement is reached between a posted player and a Major League club -- depends on the guaranteed value of the contract a posted player signs with a Major League club. All 30 MLB clubs have 45 days to negotiate with a player after he is posted. If no agreement is reached in that timeframe, the player returns to his NPB club for the coming season. He cannot be posted again until the following offseason. Previously, Japanese clubs set a release fee that could be as high as $20 million. Any MLB club that was willing to meet the designated release fee could negotiate with the player for 30 days after the player was posted, but only the club with which the player signed had to pay that release fee. Now, the release fee is determined as follows: • For Major League contracts with a total guaranteed value of $25 million or less, the release fee will be 20 percent of the total guaranteed value of the contract. • For Major League contracts with a total guaranteed value between $25,000,001 and $50 million, the release fee will be 20 percent of the first $25 million plus 17.5 percent of the total guaranteed value exceeding $25 million. • For Major League contracts with a total guaranteed value of $50,000,001 or more, the release fee will be 20 percent of the first $25 million plus 17.5 percent of next $25 million plus 15 percent of the total guaranteed value exceeding $50 million. • For all Minor League contracts, the release fee will be 25 percent of the signing bonus. For Minor League contracts that contain Major League terms, a supplemental fee will be owed if the player is added to the 25-man roster. • If a posted player signs a Major League contract that contains bonuses, salary escalators or options, a Japanese team may receive a supplemental fee equal to 15 percent of any bonus or salary escalators actually earned by the player, and/or 15 percent of any option that is exercised. So if a player signs a Major League contract with a guaranteed value of $100 million, his Japanese team would receive roughly $16.9 million ($5 million for the first $25 million, $4.4 million for the second $25 million and $7.5 million for the final $50 million). The caveat of the posting system is that foreign-born players are subject to international bonus pool money restrictions unless they are at least 25 years of age and have played as a professional in a foreign league recognized by Major League Baseball for a minimum of six seasons. Under the 2017-21 Collective Bargaining Agreement, each Major League club has a cap between $4.75 million and $5.75 million to spend on the non-exempt foreign-born player pool. Clubs will be able to acquire up to 75 percent of their initial international bonus pool money in the 2017-18 and 2018-19 signing periods and up to 60 percent of their initial pools in subsequent signing periods. This means that a club with an initial pool of $5.75 million can increase its pool total via trade to approximately $10.1 million during the 2017-18 and 2018-19 signing periods. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MIguy Posted November 12, 2023 Share Posted November 12, 2023 ESPN+ has an article up where they predict the contracts of the Top 50 free agents. They have Yamamoto ranked as the second best player behind Ohtani and receiving a contract of 7 years 212 million. I just can't see the Tigers giving anything close to a 30 million a year deal. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
casimir Posted November 12, 2023 Share Posted November 12, 2023 13 hours ago, Toddwert said: because he can go where ever he wants why would he come to Detroit instead of a bigger market with a large japanese population... its not about the Tigers wanting him its about him wanting the Tigers back Maybe he likes Pizza Pizza? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Toddwert Posted November 12, 2023 Share Posted November 12, 2023 20 minutes ago, casimir said: Maybe he likes Pizza Pizza? if he does do we really want him? 😛 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Toddwert Posted November 12, 2023 Share Posted November 12, 2023 Petzolds possible Tigers Bounce back pitching targets: https://www.freep.com/story/sports/mlb/tigers/2023/11/12/detroit-tigers-in-mlb-free-agency-breaking-down-bounce-back-pitchers/71530397007/ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SoCalTiger Posted November 12, 2023 Share Posted November 12, 2023 Yamamoto is worth the overpay and we have the cap space in my humble opinion. Failing that Imanga is a very excellent consolation prize. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tenacious D Posted November 12, 2023 Share Posted November 12, 2023 (edited) The Cardinals have said they want two starters. The Yankees and Dodgers both need them and have the deep pockets and prestige. The teams that will lose starters in free agency will need to backfill those holes. Some of this will happen via trades and farm system, but there will likely be a lot of teams shopping. I’d love to get an elite or even very good SP, but I will be very shocked if it happens. Edited November 12, 2023 by Tenacious D Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1984Echoes Posted November 12, 2023 Share Posted November 12, 2023 51 minutes ago, Toddwert said: Petzolds possible Tigers Bounce back pitching targets: https://www.freep.com/story/sports/mlb/tigers/2023/11/12/detroit-tigers-in-mlb-free-agency-breaking-down-bounce-back-pitchers/71530397007/ I think the Tigers will take one of these guys and their off-season rotation signs will be: A) One upper echelon guy... whoever they can convince to come to Detroit that fits within whatever budget amount they want to allocate to that... and: B) One end-of-the-rotation guy whether it's one of the guys listed by Petzold or some other back-ender they want to add as depth. The only thing I would say is: Make good decisions Harris. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1984Echoes Posted November 12, 2023 Share Posted November 12, 2023 5 minutes ago, Tenacious D said: ... I’d love to get an elite or even very good SP, but I will be very shocked if it happens. If I have this right... You believe the Tigers are some Black Hole Team that every single halfway decent or better starting pitcher will "Avoid-At-All-Costs" to come to...? Do I have that right? Is that what you think the Tigers are? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tigermojo Posted November 12, 2023 Share Posted November 12, 2023 Harris' whole selling point is come to Detroit, we can help you improve. Now he has success stories with Rodriguez, Lorenzen and somewhat with Boyd. He can go to free agents and offer them a year, maybe an option or an opt out and they will be motivated to perform their best. I don't see that working well for the top guys on the market because they are already at their best but Harris could surprise us. I do like the idea of a couple motivated guys in the rotation taking the pressure off the younger guys. I would also like to see a veteran brought into the bullpen because I'm not sold on Lange in the closer role. Third base is the biggest question mark and I'm curious to see how Harris will handle that issue. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gehringer_2 Posted November 12, 2023 Share Posted November 12, 2023 3 minutes ago, Tigermojo said: I'm not sold on Lange in the closer role. not at all. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oblong Posted November 12, 2023 Share Posted November 12, 2023 I don’t think closer is ever settled except for a couple of teams, ever, at one time. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chasfh Posted November 12, 2023 Author Share Posted November 12, 2023 4 hours ago, Tiger337 said: They didn't want to give him another year, so there was nothing to approve. You know that I meant the client approved of the agent asking for the year, not that the team didn't approve of the ask. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1984Echoes Posted November 12, 2023 Share Posted November 12, 2023 There's actually a few decent relievers available this offseason, not just Hader: Craig Kimbrel (36), Matt Moore (35), Jordan Hicks (27 but command not much better than Lange's), Hector Neris (35), Will Smith (34), Reyaldo Lopez (30)... But that batch of relievers is no panacea for settling down our BP. In fact it's a list of other issues (age, lack of control, spotty history or health record, etc.) that tell me that, maybe, Kimbrel is the best option out of those non-Hader choices. But it also tells me: Hader is so far above all those other options, head-and-shoulders above, that: He's my Hader or Bust choice to sign for the Tigers BP. But... watch Harris pull a rabbit out of a hat that no one was even thinking of... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chasfh Posted November 12, 2023 Author Share Posted November 12, 2023 6 hours ago, Toddwert said: More likely Mr. Baseball That's one of those movies where I totally skip over all the non-baseball parts. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Toddwert Posted November 12, 2023 Share Posted November 12, 2023 2 minutes ago, chasfh said: That's one of those movies where I totally skip over all the non-baseball parts. Im sure it hasnt aged well Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
casimir Posted November 12, 2023 Share Posted November 12, 2023 3 hours ago, Toddwert said: if he does do we really want him? 😛 Why not? Why not? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Toddwert Posted November 12, 2023 Share Posted November 12, 2023 22 minutes ago, casimir said: Why not? Why not? bad taste in Pizza Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1776 Posted November 12, 2023 Share Posted November 12, 2023 2 hours ago, Tigermojo said: Harris' whole selling point is come to Detroit, we can help you improve. Now he has success stories with Rodriguez, Lorenzen and somewhat with Boyd. He can go to free agents and offer them a year, maybe an option or an opt out and they will be motivated to perform their best. So I understand the ‘fix it and flip it’ model Harris has going on the with pitchers. Same as when he was in S.F. My question is, how do you build a rotation for the future, or is that even a part of the plan at all? One year deals and opt outs don’t seem like a long game plan. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1776 Posted November 12, 2023 Share Posted November 12, 2023 2 hours ago, Tigermojo said: Third base is the biggest question mark and I'm curious to see how Harris will handle that issue. Matt Chapman Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
casimir Posted November 12, 2023 Share Posted November 12, 2023 2 minutes ago, 1776 said: So I understand the ‘fix it and flip it’ model Harris has going on the with pitchers. Same as when he was in S.F. My question is, how do you build a rotation for the future, or is that even a part of the plan at all? One year deals and opt outs don’t seem like a long game plan. And they’re not going to fix every pitcher. Anyone else notice Gregory Soto had his best season by far after leaving Detroit? Make no mistake, I think Fetter & Co are good at what they do. But buy broken & fix it up is not a fail proof approach. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Toddwert Posted November 12, 2023 Share Posted November 12, 2023 11 minutes ago, 1776 said: Matt Chapman dont hold your breath Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tigermojo Posted November 12, 2023 Share Posted November 12, 2023 38 minutes ago, 1776 said: So I understand the ‘fix it and flip it’ model Harris has going on the with pitchers. Same as when he was in S.F. My question is, how do you build a rotation for the future, or is that even a part of the plan at all? One year deals and opt outs don’t seem like a long game plan. By having the best 40 man roster you can get every year. There's no such thing as a rotation of the future. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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