Edman85 Posted November 17, 2023 Share Posted November 17, 2023 Non-tender day! I expect the two DFA'ed players to be non-tendered today. Austin Meadows is a definite possibility. I guess one couldn't rule out Turnbull. Some other 40-man guys who can't be outrighted later in the offseason (due to injury or being added since August 15), thus could be non-tendered as a procedural move include Diaz. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tenacious D Posted November 17, 2023 Share Posted November 17, 2023 I would be shocked to see Turnbull DFA’d, unless they view him to be damaged. He’s the type of pitcher Harris would target in free agency—relatively low salary, one-year commitment with upside. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SoCalTiger Posted November 17, 2023 Share Posted November 17, 2023 Hard to believe Austin Meadows won't be. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Edman85 Posted November 17, 2023 Share Posted November 17, 2023 I would be shocked to see Turnbull DFA'ed as well, because players removed today aren't DFA'ed, they are non-tendered. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kdog Posted November 18, 2023 Share Posted November 18, 2023 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HeyAbbott Posted November 18, 2023 Share Posted November 18, 2023 8 minutes ago, kdog said: This looks to be more than I expected with respect to cleaning up the roster. I would expect a possibility of a minor league contract for Garrett Hill. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chasfh Posted November 18, 2023 Author Share Posted November 18, 2023 Spencer Turnbull learned the same lesson that Eduardo Rodriguez did, and that every player who is in the organization now and in the future will now understand completely: no matter how talented you might be, when you **** with Scott Harris, it is a career move. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RatkoVarda Posted November 18, 2023 Share Posted November 18, 2023 Lots of bs from Harris about how he expected Turnbull to compete for rotation All that fight about service time for nothing Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KL2 Posted November 18, 2023 Share Posted November 18, 2023 10 minutes ago, RatkoVarda said: Lots of bs from Harris about how he expected Turnbull to compete for rotation All that fight about service time for nothing Don't always think of things in such vacuums Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Toddwert Posted November 18, 2023 Share Posted November 18, 2023 11 minutes ago, RatkoVarda said: Lots of bs from Harris about how he expected Turnbull to compete for rotation All that fight about service time for nothing he also said they were going to talk so maybe this is coming from that meeting Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gehringer_2 Posted November 18, 2023 Share Posted November 18, 2023 11 minutes ago, RatkoVarda said: Lots of bs from Harris about how he expected Turnbull to compete for rotation All that fight about service time for nothing I don't know if I'd say it was for nothing. It was responsible for creating an outcome. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chasfh Posted November 18, 2023 Author Share Posted November 18, 2023 12 minutes ago, RatkoVarda said: Lots of bs from Harris about how he expected Turnbull to compete for rotation All that fight about service time for nothing Yeah, that is a bit of a head-scratcher. Maybe he was willing to let Turnbull try but there was some encounter with him or Boras that moved Harris of that. Or maybe Harris was ****ing with Spencer Turnbull right back at him. Either way, I can assure you that we will not miss Spencer Turnbull. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gehringer_2 Posted November 18, 2023 Share Posted November 18, 2023 17 minutes ago, chasfh said: Spencer Turnbull learned the same lesson that Eduardo Rodriguez did, and that every player who is in the organization now and in the future will now understand completely: no matter how talented you might be, when you **** with Scott Harris, it is a career move. On one hand Spencer gets what he wanted - he's going to be a FA. OTOH, his value is down to where he won't do any better than he would have in arbitration, almost certainly worse. So bottom line at best he signs a one year prove it deal somewhere, and at the end of the season is pretty much exactly where he would have been after pitching his last controlled season in Det, other than being out a chuck of cash. Anyone think Boras will reimburse him the difference? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chasfh Posted November 18, 2023 Author Share Posted November 18, 2023 7 minutes ago, gehringer_2 said: On one hand Spencer gets what he wanted - he's going to be a FA. OTOH, his value is down to where he won't do any better than he would have in arbitration, almost certainly worse. So bottom line at best he signs a one year prove it deal somewhere, and at the end of the season is pretty much exactly where he would have been after pitching his last controlled season in Det, other than being out a chuck of cash. Anyone think Boras will reimburse him the difference? I’m pretty sure Boras isn’t taking Spencer Trumbull’s calls anymore. The intern from the GLIAC school is totally available to talk, though. 😁 If Spencer Turnbull actually wanted to leave the Tigers as a free agent, then I’m thinking Boras did not level with him about the state of his market. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RatkoVarda Posted November 18, 2023 Share Posted November 18, 2023 Ilitch must be thrilled they are down to about 61M for 2024 payroll Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KL2 Posted November 18, 2023 Share Posted November 18, 2023 26 minutes ago, chasfh said: Yeah, that is a bit of a head-scratcher. Maybe he was willing to let Turnbull try but there was some encounter with him or Boras that moved Harris of that. Or maybe Harris was ****ing with Spencer Turnbull right back at him. Either way, I can assure you that we will not miss Spencer Turnbull. I also wonder if Harris talked to agents/teams and is pretty sure he's gonna mand someone. So why invest in Turnbull and then have to cut him/stadh him in the bullpen anyway. Just cut bait now before paying Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tiger337 Posted November 18, 2023 Share Posted November 18, 2023 48 minutes ago, chasfh said: Spencer Turnbull learned the same lesson that Eduardo Rodriguez did, and that every player who is in the organization now and in the future will now understand completely: no matter how talented you might be, when you **** with Scott Harris, it is a career move. Is that a good reputation to have when trying to attract talent from outside the organization? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tigermojo Posted November 18, 2023 Share Posted November 18, 2023 4 minutes ago, KL2 said: I also wonder if Harris talked to agents/teams and is pretty sure he's gonna mand someone. So why invest in Turnbull and then have to cut him/stadh him in the bullpen anyway. Just cut bait now before paying No room in the rotation for him if they can sign a couple veteran starters. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tiger337 Posted November 18, 2023 Share Posted November 18, 2023 6 minutes ago, RatkoVarda said: Ilitch must be thrilled they are down to about 61M for 2024 payroll Patientce. An injured pitcher making a come back and a multi-position guy are going to sign any day now. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chasfh Posted November 18, 2023 Author Share Posted November 18, 2023 11 minutes ago, Tiger337 said: Is that a good reputation to have when trying to attract talent from outside the organization? Probably not among the kind of talent that likes ****ing with general managers. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MIguy Posted November 18, 2023 Share Posted November 18, 2023 If Meadows signs with another team and plays the entire season, the Tigers need to sue him. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tiger337 Posted November 18, 2023 Share Posted November 18, 2023 35 minutes ago, chasfh said: Probably not among the kind of talent that likes ****ing with general managers. but even if he is right about Rodriguez and Turnbull, non-difficult players might perceive him as difficult to work with and avoid him. I am not saying that he should let difficult players take advantage of him, just that I don't think having the reputation as a tough GM is necessarily a positive. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cruzer1 Posted November 18, 2023 Share Posted November 18, 2023 (edited) 9 hours ago, RatkoVarda said: spending $200M on a guy who has thrown 0 MLB pitches would be a calculated risk; cannot see Harris doing this https://www.mlbtraderumors.com/2023/11/diamondbacks-tigers-interested-in-yoshinobu-yamamoto.html Yamamoto is listed at 5'10", 176 lbs. Edited November 18, 2023 by Cruzer1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tiger337 Posted November 18, 2023 Share Posted November 18, 2023 6 minutes ago, Cruzer1 said: Yamamoto is listed at 5'10", 176 lbs. He's another Pedro Martinez! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oblong Posted November 18, 2023 Share Posted November 18, 2023 I don’t expect a GM to bad mouth or talk down about any player on the active roster. They will say the nice things until he’s not a member of the ball club. I don’t think the way Eduardo or Turnbull were treated will have any impact on players coming here. Nothing wrong with not giving a player a new contract when they already have one. He opted out Tigers didn’t do anything wrong there. Why negotiate against yourself? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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